Daytona 24 race thread

[Accipiter]

Pick the winners.

Over all:
#19 Playboy / Uniden Racing, Ford Crawford; Memo Gidly, Micahel McDowell, and Alex Barron.

GT:
#72 Tafel Racing, Porsche GT3 Cup; Wolf Hewnzler, Robin Liddell, Johannes van Overbeek, and Graham Rahal.

[KLang]

Never caught the beginning of one of these races before. Does anyone ever attend? The stands are empty.

[Sean O'Gorman]

Overall/DP: #01 Ganassi
GT: #70 Speedsource RX-8

[NismoZ]

Team Eddie first to oil down the track! Good show, lap 1!

[Accipiter]

Ha-ha. Cheever.

:laugh:

[trish]

edit: Not sure why I quoted you.


They mentioned Danica Patrick 3 times in the last 5 minutes.

[Sean O'Gorman]

Okay it took about 2 laps before I got sick of David Hobbs.

[NismoZ]

Theres an answer to one of my questions...The Crawsche is 120lbs. lighter.

[extramundane]

Pick the winners.
GT:
#72 Tafel Racing, Porsche GT3 Cup; Wolf Hewnzler, Robin Liddell, Johannes van Overbeek, and Graham Rahal.

I'm still in awe of that driver lineup (well, 3 of them, anyway ;) ). Without serious problems, I can't see anyone touching them.

[NismoZ]

The Thrill just took the overall lead. What took him so long!?

[Accipiter]

edit: Not sure why I quoted you.


They mentioned Danica Patrick 3 times in the last 5 minutes.


Well, a least it took them over an hour to interview her.

[jcollins28]

A drinking game for the 24hr!

Everytime they say Danica or show Danica you have to take a drink. I figure you will be passed out by noon pacific time.

[Accipiter]

Couldn't do that with an IRL race. You'd die of alcohol poisoning by the end of pre-race. ;)

[devilmaster]

Every time I see Cheever interviewed, it reminds me why I hate him soooo much. What an asshat. :shakehead

[Badger]

The Nascarization of the 24 hours is kind of frustrating. Two yellows for minor fender benders already. I'm sure we'll hear how close the field is at the finish though. :shakehead

[Methanolandbrats]

Which urinal cake is Danicle driving?

[devilmaster]

pt's out and interviewing.....

12th to 1st... good stint

[NismoZ]

Gee, Till just said "size is an issue with Milka Duno." I'd like to hear an interview with her about that.

[Mark521]

Anybody else getting the "enter user name & password" dialog box when using GA's live timing?

[EDwardo]

Anybody else getting the "enter user name & password" dialog box when using GA's live timing?
Yep. Stupid. Morons. Doesn't do much to promote the race does it?

Lots of google links talking about timing and scoring being available but no mention of fees or passwords. Wankers.

[devilmaster]

useless fact of the day: Bell Expressvu sat in Canada says i'm watching coverage of the 24 Hours of Le Mans. :saywhat:

[trish]

Anybody else getting the "enter user name & password" dialog box when using GA's live timing?
Yes

[EDwardo]

and now the password box for timing and scoring is gone.....


and now it is back.



garbage..........

[Accipiter]

So the Porsche threat looks to have ended. Drop gear, and the Crawford/Job/factory driver improvements aren't much help when the driveshaft breaks.

Ford is showing their fuel milage advantage - hence my pick - but with all these cautions they aren't really going to be able to exploit it.

[Accipiter]

OK, welcome to Danicamania. :rolleyes:

[Sean O'Gorman]

"I feel like a racecar driver again!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[devilmaster]

danica interview: 'I feel like a racecar driver again'

[G.]

I got T&S w/o a password.

They apparently had a server in their cluster that was requesting a login, but they pulled it out (according to the messagebrd.).

[G.]

Which car is FCYTravis'?

[Sean O'Gorman]

Which car is FCYTravis'?

#99 Gainsco Pontiac Riley, last car on the lead lap right now.

[Opposite Lock]

Which car is FCYTravis'?

Isn't he with the #99?

[nrc]

Never caught the beginning of one of these races before. Does anyone ever attend? The stands are empty.

Nobody watches from the stands. Everyone camps in the infield. No idea how attendance compares to the halcyon days of yesteryear.

[dando]

Teehee. :laugh: Sharp trashes the Fernandez mobile. :laugh: :laugh:

:D

-Kevin

[devilmaster]

and barber takes out the 99.... sorry trav

[dando]

Barf! If I see another of those Peak ads, I'm gonna puke! :saywhat:

-Kevin

[Accipiter]

"When you Peak, you win." I thought when you peaked, you saw tracers.

[Spicoli]

"When you Peak, you win." I thought when you peaked, you saw tracers.

:cry: :rofl:

[spinner26]

"When you Peak, you win."
Which means without "the fix" she won't peak. ;)

Suntrust Done. :(

[EDwardo]

Doesn't seem much like night racing with all the lights on!

[Methanolandbrats]

That Calloway POS is the ugliest car ever produced. It makes an Aztec look like an Alfa Romeo Giulietta.

[Methanolandbrats]

There is a God, the POS is out of public view in the garage. And Rusty is an old bird dog, so he can spend some quality down time with Danicle.

[DjDrOmusic]

OK I give up, I've really tried to watch this, but again, I was raised on Porsche 917's and Ferrari 312P's. I've given it a fair shot with an open mind, I just can't buy into it. Those of you who enjoy this, have fun, I'll remember when it was real....to me!

[Methanolandbrats]

OK I give up, I've really tried to watch this, but again, I was raised on Porsche 917's and Ferrari 312P's. I've given it a fair shot with an open mind, I just can't buy into it. Those of you who enjoy this, have fun, I'll remember when it was real....to me!Amen, screw it.

[Fio1]

What position do you think the winning GT car will finish overall? Last year they were 10th, so far they are 10th after 10 hours?

I think 5th! :laugh:

[Sean O'Gorman]

Amen, screw it.

I'm willing to bet you'll be making more comments about t he race between now and 12:10 PM tomorrow. ;)

[Rocketdoc]

Pick the winners.

Over all:
#19 Playboy / Uniden Racing, Ford Crawford; Memo Gidly, Micahel McDowell, and Alex Barron.

GT:
#72 Tafel Racing, Porsche GT3 Cup; Wolf Hewnzler, Robin Liddell, Johannes van Overbeek, and Graham Rahal.

I thought the same thing (#19), but at this time, they're about 21 laps in arears, and that's hard to make up.

I'm betting on Darren Law making up 2 laps and taking it.

By the way, look at the lap time of the #19, and I think you'll find that Michael McDowell is the fastest of that team.

[Rocketdoc]

I got T&S w/o a password.

They apparently had a server in their cluster that was requesting a login, but they pulled it out (according to the messagebrd.).

http://grandamerican.vfx.com/Rolex/GrandAmerican_800.asp

[cameraman]

By the way, look at the lap time of the #19, and I think you'll find that Michael McDowell is the fastest of that team.

Where do you find lap times?

[Rocketdoc]

Where do you find lap times?


Click on the car and at the bottom is the last lap time and the fastest lap on what lap.

It's also in the field of the chart.

[cameraman]

Ohh, fancy.

Thanks

[Rocketdoc]

There is a God, the POS is out of public view in the garage. And Rusty is an old bird dog, so he can spend some quality down time with Danicle.

I made a bet with my son that even though Rusty and Danical's car is out, there will still be more than ten more Danica shots on the TV before this is over.

I will win.

[cameraman]

The #23 Porsche/Crawford is just flying along. It is back on the lead lap and about four seconds behind the Cheeber machine.

[Rocketdoc]

"When you Peak, you win." I thought when you peaked, you saw tracers.

That brings some bad memories back....

Remember, tracers show where the bad guy is.

[cameraman]

Pat Long just drove past Christian Fittipaldi.

I would not have minded seeing that.

Ya know it would have been nice if SPEED had shown this race instead of a really bad 20 year old movie :rolleyes:

[theunions]

By the way, look at the lap time of the #19, and I think you'll find that Michael McDowell is the fastest of that team.

Click on the car and at the bottom is the last lap time and the fastest lap on what lap.

It's also in the field of the chart.

But where does it identify which drivers set the fastest lap per car (or for that matter which driver set which lap, period)?

Loved seeing Pop-Tart out in front though. I just wish Barron hadn't subsequently stuffed it. :cry:

[ChrisB]

I don't have much to add, so I'll just drag this old picture up that my Dad took in '73...


http://www.netaxs.com/~gg1/race/md_daytona_73.jpg



:)

[Methanolandbrats]

Good Lord........what a horrible way to begin the day, I turn on the TV and theres a headshot of Rahole the Elder. :saywhat:

[Fio1]

I think it needs to be mentioned that the leading GT car, the TPC #36 Porsche is an older 996, not the new 997 like the other Porsches that ran upfront. :cool:

[Accipiter]

I thought the same thing (#19), but at this time, they're about 21 laps in arears, and that's hard to make up.


I wonder what is up with that car. My guess would be the halfshaft problems everyone else has had, but as far as I know, TV hasn't done an update on them since Barron hit the fence. They were murdering the field on fuel milage until that moment.

[nissan gtp]

cheeber car is out, blowed up

and eddie is thinking about running indy (ie, waiting for tonybucks) :gomer:

[Methanolandbrats]

Not much time left for Floyd's heap to blow up. Here's hoping :thumbup:

[dando]

Good Lord........what a horrible way to begin the day, I turn on the TV and theres a headshot of Rahole the Elder. :saywhat:
Same here. Then the wife is asking me again why I'm cursing the bastard. Follow that up with a shot of The Danicle sans make up looking pale and pasty, and I just about tossed 'em. :shakehead

-Kevin

[dando]

Not much time left for Floyd's heap to blow up. Here's hoping :thumbup:
Good thing I got me this here 16:9 TeeVee...that's the only way Fat Bastard fit on my screen. :gomer:

So sad to see Cheever so sad. :D

-Kevin

[RusH]

I was there...came home to see the finish on teevee. Overall, it was fun.
Watching the race on top of the ferris wheel was the most fun :gomer:

I parked right up against the fence along the longest stretch in the in-field road course...so my great spot was the big part a good day.

A perfect ending now is for fat chip to blow up and AJ takes the win. :thumbup:

[OW]

Hey Rush I'm glad you had fun. I was impressed by the campfires in the infield. I'd have slept like a baby with fires and sounds and warm weather.

[theunions]

I wonder what is up with that car. My guess would be the halfshaft problems everyone else has had, but as far as I know, TV hasn't done an update on them since Barron hit the fence. They were murdering the field on fuel milage until that moment.

To my knowledge the front end/suspension damage Barron incurred was the sole reason for all the laps lost.

Maybe we'd know more if anyone at SPEED had bothered to interview a single team person on camera during the first 12+ hours of coverage... :shakehead In contrast, on the sister car they talked to Rice 2x and Herta 1x, and they were never in the hunt.

The MG interview just now was too little, too late, and they didn't answer that particular question anyway.

[theunions]

Watching the race on top of the ferris wheel was the most fun :gomer:

How much can you actually see from up there (esp. at night), how long is the ride, what's the best route there from the pits/paddock, and how much does it cost?

[RusH]

How much can you actually see from up there (esp. at night), how long is the ride, what's the best route there from the pits/paddock, and how much does it cost?

You can see everything except the pits.
About 10 min.
I believe, the fanzone exit to the infield.
$3.50

[EDwardo]

Nice move by Dickson. Drive through for punting the 3rd place car.

[jonovision_man]

02 car gets a stop-and-go... AJ still has a shot!

[jonovision_man]

Or not. :p

Good for Dixon & Ganassi.

jono

[spinner26]

Or not. :p

Good for Dixon & Ganassi.

jono


No, Great for Dan, Danica who?

[theunions]

IIRC, this is the first victory for Casey in ANYTHING (including Indy Lights), correct?

[TKGAngel]

So nice to have real live racing on the television. Anyone else wish it was the Champcar opener around the corner, instead of the NASCAR one?

Great to see AJ and Wilson do so well in thieir first time out. You know, I heard a rumor that this was the first time AJ's ever driven a racecar with a roof. ;) Towards the end, I was praying that AJ wouldn't get inside his head and stuff it, like he did in a few Champcar races last year.

The first Danica interview I saw was her whining about how the seat insert Rusty uses combined with her seat insert to put her 12.5" from the steering wheel instead of the preferred 13.5."

[RichK]

Pretty good race! I wish the DPs were faster cars, but you can't have everything in today's motorsports. The driver lineup really made the race.

[Wheel-Nut]

Cheap sports car question from a nubile:

Are there any teams that run the Ford GT40 in the GT class?

[Joelski]

Probably embargoed. :) I would think a showroom stock Ford GT would have a definite chance at the overall, thus making the DP's look bad.

[Accipiter]

Dan Wheldon is starting to rack up quite a record in races that don't exactly mean as much as they used to, isn't he?

[Methanolandbrats]

If Cheever is still sniffing for the lead near the end, that's proof it sucked.

[TKGAngel]

Dan Wheldon is starting to rack up quite a record in races that don't exactly mean as much as they used to, isn't he?

Valid point, but according to the Daytona Beach News-Journal, he "appears to have it all -- James Dean's hair, Mario Andretti's right foot, Paul McCartney's boyish charm and like Sir Paul, that British accent us Yanks all find so amusing." Who cares what you've won, when you've got a description like that? ;)

[cameraman]

If Cheever is still sniffing for the lead near the end, that's proof it sucked.

No, it proves that if you keep your car out of trouble for 22 hours you will be near the top of the charts. That is true of all endurance races. They were not that fast, they just kept it on the track, didn't hit anybody & otherwise didn't break for 22 hours. Too bad for him it was a 24 hour race.

That was the first interview I have ever seen of the man. It is truly a rare individual that can be so unlikeable in such a short amount of time :shakehead

[Methanolandbrats]

No, it proves that if you keep your car out of trouble for 22 hours you will be near the top of the charts. That is true of all endurance races. They were not that fast, they just kept it on the track, didn't hit anybody & otherwise didn't break for 22 hours. Too bad for him it was a 24 hour race.

That was the first interview I have ever seen of the man. It is truly a rare individual that can be so unlikeable in such a short amount of time :shakehead Pre GrandAm Cheever's s***** team would have been nowhere near the front. "not that fast" would not have cut it. And here are the results of his stunning Indy Win, further proof that if he's at the front, it sucks.

Pos. Start Driver Chassis-Engine Status Laps Money
1. 17 Eddie Cheever Jr. Dallara-Aurora running 200 $1,433,000
2. 11 Buddy Lazier Dallara-Aurora running 200 $483,200
3. 23 Steve Knapp G Force-Aurora running 200 $338,750
4. 8 Davey Hamilton G Force-Aurora running 199 $301,650
5. 21 Robby Unser G Force-Aurora running 198 $209,400
6. 3 Kenny Brack Dallara-Aurora running 198 $310,750
7. 16 John Paul Jr. Dallara-Aurora running 197 $216,350
8. 19 Andy Michner Dallara-Aurora running 197 $182,050
9. 13 J.J. Yeley Dallara-Aurora running 197 $198,550
10. 18 Buzz Calkins G Force-Aurora running 195 $248,500
11. 26 Jimmy Kite Dallara-Aurora running 195 $287,300
12. 22 Jack Hewitt G Force-Aurora running 195 $265,800
13. 27 Jeff Ward G Force-Aurora running 194 $242,050
14. 14 Marco Greco G Force-Aurora engine 183 $167,800
15. 32 Mike Groff G Force-Aurora running 183 $237,600
16. 7 Scott Sharp Dallara-Aurora gearbox 181 $234,800
17. 31 Stephan Gregoire G Force-Aurora running 172 $225,300
18. 2 Greg Ray Dallara-Aurora gearbox 167 $175,400
19. 30 Raul Boesel G Force-Aurora running 164 $221,300
20. 28 Arie Luyendyk G Force-Aurora gearbox 151 $242,100
21. 15 Dr. Jack Miller Dallara-Infiniti running 128 $159,800
22. 9 Roberto Guerrero Dallara-Aurora running 125 $165,300
23. 1 Billy Boat Dallara-Aurora drive line 111 $364,200
24. 10 Scott Goodyear G Force-Aurora clutch 100 $253,300
25. 25 Johnny Unser Dallara-Aurora engine 98 $136,300
26. 6 Sam Schmidt Dallara-Aurora accident 0 $215,300
27. 12 Mark Dismore Dallara-Aurora accident 0 $209,300
28. 29 Stan Wattles Riley & Scott-Aurora accident 0 $138,550
29. 20 Jim Guthrie G Force-Aurora accident 0 $133,300
30. 33 Billy Roe Dallara-Aurora accident 0 $137,300
31. 5 Robbie Buhl Dallara-Aurora engine 4 $222,300
32. 24 Donnie Beechler G Force-Aurora engine 34 $132,300
33. 4 Tony Stewart Dallara-Aurora engine 22 $220,250

[extramundane]

Cheap sports car question from a nubile:

Are there any teams that run the Ford GT40 in the GT class?

At this point, the GT isn't running in any class anywhere. However, Nic Jonsson is working on one for SWC GT (may or may not appear this year), and one is supposed to be in SuperGT this year, though I suppose it could well be a tube-frame special.

I doubt you'll ever see it in GAGT.

[Wheel-Nut]

^^^ Thanks for the 'splanation . . .

[Steve99]

Pos. Start Driver Chassis-Engine Status Laps Money
1. 17 Eddie Cheever Jr. Dallara-Aurora running 200 $1,433,000
2. 11 Buddy Lazier Dallara-Aurora running 200 $483,200
3. 23 Steve Knapp G Force-Aurora running 200 $338,750

Who the hell is Steve Knapp???

[cameraman]

Cheap sports car question from a nubile:

So it that a typo, a freudian slip or just wishful thinking?

[Spicoli]

Who the hell is Steve Knapp???

Well duh. :rolleyes:


hSteve Knapp
DATE OF BIRTH 17 April 1974
NATIONALITY American
FIRST IRL START Indianapolis 1998
IRL STARTS 13 [View Complete Results]
IRL WINS 0 Best Finish - 1 x 3rd Place [Details]
POLE POSITIONS 0 Best Grid Position - 1 x 5th Place [Details]
POINTS SCORED 198
RACES LED 0
LAPS LED 0
TEAMS 1998 ISM Racing (Indianapolis only)
1998 PDM Racing Finished 22nd in Championship
1999 PDM Racing (Orlando only)
1999 ISM Racing Finished 25th in Championship
2000 Dreyer & Reinbold Racing (Indianapolis only) Finished 38th in Championship



:D

[cameraman]

Knapp won the 1996 US F2000 championship then he drove in the Atlantics in 1997 and was 6th on the season. Second at Road America was the high point of his season.

Then he went IRLing in 1998 and disappeared...

[RichK]

Knapp won the 1996 US F2000 championship then he drove in the Atlantics in 1997 and was 6th on the season. Second at Road America was the high point of his season.

Then he went IRLing in 1998 and disappeared...

I think he broke his neck or back in the big Atlanta crash. Knapp is/was also a well-known engine builder for FF's and F2000s.

[Rocketdoc]

Which urinal cake is Danicle driving?


Apt description.

[nrc]

Apt description.

I like to think of them as scrubbing bubbles. It's especially apt when they're on the banking at Daytona.

[rosawendel]

"what i did on my winter vacation" by rosawendel.

i did this:
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3370/02dpwinner8cq.jpg
the end

[Wheel-Nut]

WOW, you bought a whole section of seats for yourself!! :thumbup:

[Spicoli]

WOW, you bought a whole section of seats for yourself!! :thumbup:

:rofl:

sure hope they were free. God knows Cheep didn't pay.

[rosawendel]

WOW, you bought a whole section of seats for yourself!! :thumbup:

i was a little surprised at that. it was the first grand-am event i went to. i went to le mans, and was interested in the american counterpart. i was surprised at the sparse turnout, especially considering the line-up of drivers. it was fun. i did have a good time.

[Methanolandbrats]

i was a little surprised at that. it was the first grand-am event i went to. i went to le mans, and was interested in the american counterpart. i was surprised at the sparse turnout, especially considering the line-up of drivers. it was fun. i did have a good time. The counterpoint is a bit to the south of Daytona.

[FCYTravis]

No mere 12-hour race can truly be a counterpoint to a 24-hour race. They simply can't be compared. Walk through the paddock at about Hour 15 of a 24-hour race, and you'll understand.

I wish Don would get some stones and tell the French to go suck eggs, and run a 24 Hours of Road America.

[Methanolandbrats]

No mere 12-hour race can truly be a counterpoint to a 24-hour race. They simply can't be compared. Walk through the paddock at about Hour 15 of a 24-hour race, and you'll understand.

I wish Don would get some stones and tell the French to go suck eggs, and run a 24 Hours of Road America. I did the paddock walk at the real Rolex in 96. I was referring to the machinery and crowd more than the duration.

[FCYTravis]

Since when did a crowd make a race?

Is a 500-lap NASCAR brawl at Bristol a better race than a Champ Car shootout at Road America merely because there are 100,000+ jamming into the stands at one and only a smattered 25,000 at the other?

Machinery, perhaps. Drivers? I think the Rolex got about as good a cross-section of the best drivers in the world as you'll ever find in one place. It is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.

[Methanolandbrats]

Since when did a crowd make a race?

Is a 500-lap NASCAR brawl at Bristol a better race than a Champ Car shootout at Road America merely because there are 100,000+ jamming into the stands at one and only a smattered 25,000 at the other?

Machinery, perhaps. Drivers? I think the Rolex got about as good a cross-section of the best drivers in the world as you'll ever find in one place. It is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.I'm not wasting my time debating this ****. Suffice to say NASCAR endurance racing sucks donkey dick.