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pchall
07-27-05, 11:15 AM
link (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050727/COLUMNISTS01/507270403)

Gentlemen, can you join the Danica bandwagon?

Here's a suggestion for the Indy Racing League as it considers sanctions against the Pampers-sponsored Andretti Green Whining Machine, whose four drivers boycotted last weekend's mandatory autograph session before the A.J. Foyt 225 at the Milwaukee Mile.

Forget some kind of fine.

Better yet, make them spend a week in Danica Patrick's shoes.

Wheldon will be the first in line to try out her shoes.

rabbit
07-27-05, 11:22 AM
If I hear "She didn't ask for this attention" one more time I'm going to puke.

Yeah, she was forced to wear this (http://www.fastdates.com/PLN.Images2003/PLN.DanicaPatrick.jpg) outfit. :rolleyes:

dando
07-27-05, 11:32 AM
And they got her all dolled up for the ESPYs:

http://espn.starwave.com/media/rpm/2005/0726/photo/g_patrick_412.jpg

Did she win something for her Findy 500 achievement? :shakehead

And Oreo sez to suck it up boyz:

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=rpm&id=2117278


But that's a double-edged sword, because to maintain her celebrity cachet, she's going to have to start winning races at some point and develop into a great race-car driver. And that's more difficult than it looks; it took the average IndyCar driver 33 races to reach victory circle, which for Danica, would be near the end of the 2006 season. Can the mainstream media maintain interest for that long?

Answer: No.

-Kevin

racer2c
07-27-05, 11:37 AM
'They' will make sure she finds victory lane before this year is over.

FRANKY
07-27-05, 11:50 AM
If I hear "She didn't ask for this attention" one more time I'm going to puke.

Yeah, she was forced to wear this (http://www.fastdates.com/PLN.Images2003/PLN.DanicaPatrick.jpg) outfit. :rolleyes:

Now let's be realistic, there is a difference between playing the games she did to get a ride, and the avalanche of media that came with the 500. It's the fans at the track that really go bonkers for her, not just little girls looking for someone to replace Sarah Fisher.

rabbit
07-27-05, 11:55 AM
Now let's be realistic, there is a difference between playing the games she did to get a ride, and the avalanche of media that came with the 500.
No there isn't. The FHM spread fueled the media avalanche. Sex sells. Hot chicks in leather draped over fast cars sells. Sarah Fisher, as popular as she was, never had the media coverage that Danica has had. If she would have stopped by Jenny Craig then headed over to Maxim, she would probably still be driving in the IRL today.

It's the fans at the track that really go bonkers for her, not just little girls looking for someone to replace Sarah Fisher.
You're close. It's the fans at the track who really want to go bonk her.

devilmaster
07-27-05, 12:03 PM
Did she win something for her Findy 500 achievement? :shakehead

-Kevin

I watched the espy's with a couple friends. She was up for a few awards, but IIRC she didn't win anything.

JoeBob
07-27-05, 12:20 PM
If you're gonna show Danica at the ESPY's, you should use the picture of her with Jenny Finch: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3329/Events/3329/JennyFinch_Mazur_5449052_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Finch,%20Jennifer%20(II)

tllips
07-27-05, 12:48 PM
If you're gonna show Danica at the ESPY's, you should use the picture of her with Jenny Finch: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3329/Events/3329/JennyFinch_Mazur_5449052_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Finch,%20Jennifer%20(II)


How tall is Jenny and/or short is Danica??? :eek:

dando
07-27-05, 12:52 PM
I watched the espy's with a couple friends. She was up for a few awards, but IIRC she didn't win anything.
Surely she must have won driver of the year, eh? ;)

-Kevin

FRANKY
07-27-05, 12:59 PM
No there isn't. The FHM spread fueled the media avalanche. Sex sells. Hot chicks in leather draped over fast cars sells. Sarah Fisher, as popular as she was, never had the media coverage that Danica has had. If she would have stopped by Jenny Craig then headed over to Maxim, she would probably still be driving in the IRL today.


You're close. It's the fans at the track who really want to go bonk her.

The FHM spread wasn't all that great. Danica was the least (http://www.fhmus.com/girls/screensaver/) attractive of the bunch.

In my mind, she got the Rahal job (http://www.skipbarber.com/news/article.asp?AID=1149) four months before the FHM spread, and I don't remember much media fuss at the time of it, sure people have asked about it, even this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/24/AR2005062401537.html) article in the Washington Post points that out, but she isn't stealing attention from the other drivers, she just getting attention where there wasn't any before. I don't think she knew, or the IRL knew that she would take all the attention. Hornish is at least smart enough to have a good perspective on it all.

FRANKY
07-27-05, 01:03 PM
How tall is Jenny and/or short is Danica??? :eek:

Six foot tall.

She also made the cover.

http://www.jenniefinch.net/images/sicover.JPG

Chief
07-27-05, 01:17 PM
I believe Danicle is the skankiest out of them all, she make THEM look good!

G.
07-27-05, 01:19 PM
And she's handled it all with complete grace. At this point, she could write the manual on how to handle instant fame in the best possible manner.

I agree 100%. I just cannot bash her. Her only less-than-classy moment was her (early) comments on DNFisher.

I also really wish that she was back in Atlantics catfighting with Legge. Now THAT would be a freakin story!

Steve99
07-27-05, 01:33 PM
I don't think she knew, or the IRL knew that she would take all the attention.
You must be kidding. The entire IRL marketing program is based around her. That didn't just accidentally happen.

G.
07-27-05, 01:35 PM
You must be kidding. The entire IRL marketing program is based around her. That didn't just accidentally happen.So you're saying that they were smart enough to foresee all the media attention?
Hmmmmm.

Interesting theory.



:gomer:

pchall
07-27-05, 01:38 PM
So you're saying that they were smart enough to foresee all the media attention?
Hmmmmm.

Interesting theory.



:gomer:

At least smart enough to follow their knobs.

FRANKY
07-27-05, 01:47 PM
You must be kidding. The entire IRL marketing program is based around her. That didn't just accidentally happen.

They didn't before the 500. They didn't know she would garner all the attention before, and that the fan/media would go nuts. Just look at the Watkins Glen test before Danicamania (directed by the IRL) was in full gear.

http://www.indyracingleague.com/multimedia/build_photo.php?photo_id=18801&size=medium

18 days after the 500 and she was the headline (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=irl&id=2087493) even if she wasn't the headline. Now it's the IRL reacting to what the media wants, not the other way around.

pedroskova
07-27-05, 02:06 PM
http://espn.starwave.com/media/rpm/2005/0726/photo/g_patrick_412.jpg

Her hair is reminicent of one of Loretta Lynn's old doo's.

theunions
07-27-05, 02:06 PM
I watched the espy's with a couple friends. She was up for a few awards, but IIRC she didn't win anything.

Ditto for the other nominees (including Wheldon and a couple of NASCAR guys...maybe Schumacher too) representing auto racing.

Insomniac
07-27-05, 05:10 PM
Six foot tall.

She also made the cover.

http://www.jenniefinch.net/images/sicover.JPG

And she only was on the US Women's Gold Medal winning softball team in the 2004 Olympics. Danica finished 4th at Indy and took out two guys!

Jennie Finch also pitched a perfect game with only 27 Ks. She still has a long way to go to earn her reputation. Danica is miles ahead of her!

nrc
07-27-05, 06:39 PM
No there isn't. The FHM spread fueled the media avalanche. Sex sells. Hot chicks in leather draped over fast cars sells. Sarah Fisher, as popular as she was, never had the media coverage that Danica has had. If she would have stopped by Jenny Craig then headed over to Maxim, she would probably still be driving in the IRL today.

Nonsense. The FHM spread didn't create a blip on the radar outside the open wheel racing forums.

It was the fact that she got the a media's attention with her performance on the run up to the IRL 500 and then her team made her look like a threat to win in spite of her rookie mistakes.

Wingnut
07-27-05, 07:30 PM
Her hair is reminicent of one of Loretta Lynn's old doo's.

Well, that should appeal to the gomerati, no? She needs to lose a few teeth, though. :gomer:

Jag_Warrior
07-27-05, 08:56 PM
If you're gonna show Danica at the ESPY's, you should use the picture of her with Jenny Finch: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3329/Events/3329/JennyFinch_Mazur_5449052_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Finch,%20Jennifer%20(II)

I swear, youse guys and these creepy, freaky photos! This one messed with me more than the dog with all the quills stuck in his head. :p

Racewriter
07-27-05, 09:13 PM
If you're gonna show Danica at the ESPY's, you should use the picture of her with Jenny Finch: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3329/Events/3329/JennyFinch_Mazur_5449052_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Finch,%20Jennifer%20(II)

Man - that is one HOT picture.

By the way - who's the boy with Jenny?

cart7
07-27-05, 09:17 PM
That gal has man hands. :eek:

JohnnyQ
07-27-05, 09:30 PM
Nonsense. The FHM spread didn't create a blip on the radar outside the open wheel racing forums.

It was the fact that she got the a media's attention with her performance on the run up to the IRL 500 and then her team made her look like a threat to win in spite of her rookie mistakes.

Dead on. ;)

Her Indy showing warranted her media blitz. Like it or not...your everyday Joe can't get into douchebags like Kanaan, Junquira, Castroneves, Wheldon or Scheckter. Hence the popularity.

Let her have her 15 minutes so we ca get back to Wheldon and Kannan necking on the podium.

RichK
07-27-05, 09:42 PM
Dead on. ;)
...so we ca get back to Wheldon and Kannan necking on the podium.

They never stopped. Milwaukee:

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/irl/2005/mil/irl-2005-mil-tm-1223.jpg

fourrunner
07-27-05, 10:20 PM
If you're gonna show Danica at the ESPY's, you should use the picture of her with Jenny Finch: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3329/Events/3329/JennyFinch_Mazur_5449052_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Finch,%20Jennifer%20(II)

Not a chance in hell of anything falling out of Danica's Dress !! :eek:

JohnnyQ
07-27-05, 10:22 PM
They never stopped. Milwaukee:

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/irl/2005/mil/irl-2005-mil-tm-1223.jpg

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It's just wrong.

Chief
07-27-05, 10:52 PM
Nonsense. The FHM spread didn't create a blip on the radar outside the open wheel racing forums.

It was the fact that she got the a media's attention with her performance on the run up to the IRL 500 and then her team made her look like a threat to win in spite of her rookie mistakes.

Her "run" to the 500 got sidetracked too....IRL crapped their pants because the hype machine was in full swing at Homestead where we all got a peek at what was to come. The Danica got caught up in a firey grinding wreck and sat out a race because of a concussion. It wasn't until Montegi (PP reference) when she qualified well that she got any momentum rolling again. Other than that and Indy and the pole she's been worthless if you ask me, and not worth one second of the attention (whether she handled it well or not).

FRANKY
07-28-05, 01:12 AM
The Danica got caught up in a firey grinding wreck and sat out a race because of a concussion.

What race did "The Danica" sit out?
http://www.indyracingleague.com/stats/driver_detail.php?driver_id=259&nYear=2005

Your negative opinion of her is full of bias because she's running in the IRL. She's completed 1819 laps, the same as Hornish and 30 positions ahead of her all male competition. Pretty good for a rookie. If you can't recognize those simple accomplishments, and dismiss her run at Indy, her Pole, her almost Pole at Motegi, I would say you can't adequately gauge what an accomplishment is. Don't want to like her? Fine. But be honest, that it's because you disdain anything or anyone in Tony's league. Because the other excuses just don't float.

devilmaster
07-28-05, 03:14 AM
What race did "The Danica" sit out?
http://www.indyracingleague.com/stats/driver_detail.php?driver_id=259&nYear=2005

Your negative opinion of her is full of bias because she's running in the IRL. She's completed 1819 laps, the same as Hornish and 30 positions ahead of her all male competition. Pretty good for a rookie. If you can't recognize those simple accomplishments, and dismiss her run at Indy, her Pole, her almost Pole at Motegi, I would say you can't adequately gauge what an accomplishment is. Don't want to like her? Fine. But be honest, that it's because you disdain anything or anyone in Tony's league. Because the other excuses just don't float.

Your positive opinion of her is full of bias because she does run in the IRL. She hasn't had a win, unlike alot of her male competition. She's completed less laps than Sharp, Helio CastroNeves, Dan Wheldon and Patrick Carpentier. She has led less races than Franchitti, Wheldon, Sheckter, Hornish and Kanaan. Her average starting spot is 9th, and her average finishing spot is 10.8. (i can pull stats out of my ass too, ooooooh.)

If you think she's all that and a bag of chips, then you are just as bad as the PR department at IMS. Love her? Fine. But be honest, its because you have loved the IRL before you joined here, and you have tried hard to walk the fence, and not shown yourself as the gomer that you are. Because the other excuses just don't float.

FRANKY
07-28-05, 11:42 AM
Your positive opinion of her is full of bias because she does run in the IRL. She hasn't had a win, unlike alot of her male competition. She's completed less laps than Sharp, Helio CastroNeves, Dan Wheldon and Patrick Carpentier. She has led less races than Franchitti, Wheldon, Sheckter, Hornish and Kanaan. Her average starting spot is 9th, and her average finishing spot is 10.8. (i can pull stats out of my ass too, ooooooh.)

If you think she's all that and a bag of chips, then you are just as bad as the PR department at IMS. Love her? Fine. But be honest, its because you have loved the IRL before you joined here, and you have tried hard to walk the fence, and not shown yourself as the gomer that you are. Because the other excuses just don't float.

I love the part where you said she completed less laps then Sharp, Helio CastroNeves, Dan Wheldon and Patrick Carpentier. Just four drivers finishing more laps than her so she's not worthy. If this was an old school racing discussion, simply about rookie results your stance would be interesting. But since you think all this has to do with gomerdom and not the qualifications and results of a driver behind the wheel it's kind of useless.

Oh, and Timo Glock who is also leading rookie of the year in his series, has an average starting position of 9 and finish is 13th. (I would say I can pull stats out of my ass too, but I actually use a computer.)

JLMannin
07-28-05, 12:18 PM
I love the part where you said she completed less laps then Sharp, Helio CastroNeves, Dan Wheldon and Patrick Carpentier. Just four drivers finishing more laps than her so she's not worthy.

Being the fifth best in laps completed in the IRL does not impress me, as the talent pool is pretty shallow. It's like having the world's fifth most powerful army or the worlds 5th ranked space program. The gap from #1 to #5 is huge.

Chief
07-28-05, 12:27 PM
What race did "The Danica" sit out?

I stand corrected, she didn't sit out any races. It was the staggering around the safety vehicle that I vividly remember after the firey grinding wreck. The "rookie" pussie footed around Phoenix getting her feet wet again. It's my opinion that the wreck and subsequent reacquainting of herself to racing on ovals after her concussion limited ABC/ESPN/IMS' start on the "Danica-mania" that was to ensue in the month of May. The rebuttal was to nrc NOT you.

From the sexploitation level, yeah, I think she's skanky. I like Danica as a racer, not a pin-up being sexploited by the IRL, which unfortunately is the image they've projected. I think it lowers the level of ALL racing. From your "Rookie of the Year" angle I believe Patrick Carpentier is leading her but he has "Indy-style" experience even though they have the same # of races in those sheissmobiles. Yeah, she's whipping up on the others like Ryan Briscoe (Toyota), Enge (Chevy), Paul Dana (broken back), Jeff Bucknum (who?), Marty Roth (banned from racing anything anymore), and Larry Foyt (legendary status even though the dude has actually crashed a sheissmobile in an IRL race before).

In fact, the BOMBARDIER ROOKIE OF THE YEAR is such a joke Larry Foyt, Marty Roth and the great Tomas Enge are considered rookies in both years 2004 and 2005. PLEASE explain....no brag, just facts.

FRANKY
07-28-05, 12:42 PM
I stand corrected, she didn't sit out any races. It was the staggering around the safety vehicle that I vividly remember after the firely grinding wreck. The "rookie" ***** footed around Phoenix getting her feet wet again. It's my opinion that the wreck and subsequent reacquainting of herself to racing on ovals after her concussion limited ABC/ESPN/IMS' start on the "Danica-mania" that was to ensue in the month of May. The rebuttal was to nrc NOT you.

From the sexploitation level, yeah, I think she's skanky. I like Danica as a racer, not a pin-up being sexploited by the IRL, which unfortunately is the image they're projecting. I think it lowers the level of ALL racing. From your "Rookie of the Year" angle I believe Patrick Carpentier is leading her but he has "Indy-style" experience even though they have the same # of races in those sheissmobiles. Yeah, she's whipping up on the others like Ryan Briscoe (Toyota), Enge (Chevy), Paul Dana (broken back), Jeff Bucknum (who?), Marty Roth (banned from racing anything anymore), and Larry Foyt (legendary status even though the dude has actually crashed a sheissmobile in an IRL race before).

In fact, the BOMBARDIER ROOKIE OF THE YEAR is such a joke Larry Foyt, Marty Roth and the great Tomas Enge are considered rookies in both years 2004 and 2005. PLEASE explain....no brag, just facts.

Yea she got her bell rang pretty good at Homestead.

It seems to me you don't like Danica as a racer, it's why you said "she's been worthless", it's why I responded to this thread in the first place, because her rookie results are pretty good regardless if she's a girl.


You forgot the rest of the regulars she's "whipping up on". She is doing what rookies should do, stay out of trouble, get laps completed.

Alex Barron
Ed Carpenter
Scott Dixon
Dario Franchitti
Bryan Herta
Tony Kanaan
Buddy Lazier
Darren Manning
Kosuke Matsuura
Vitor Meira
Buddy Rice
Tomas Scheckter
Roger Yasukawa

FRANKY
07-28-05, 12:51 PM
Being the fifth best in laps completed in the IRL does not impress me, as the talent pool is pretty shallow.

She is ahead of 3/4's of the AGR team. I thought they are as rich with talent and yen than any other team?


Just as a comparison, I think it shows how good Glock is when getting those rookie laps completed:

1 Sebastien Bourdais
2 A.J. Allmendinger
3 Timo Glock (R)
4 Jimmy Vasser
5 Oriol Servia
6 Nelson Philippe
7 Paul Tracy
8 Justin Wilson
9 Marcus Marshall (R)
10 Mario Dominguez
11 Alex Tagliani
12 Bjorn Wirdheim (R)
13 Ricardo Sperafico (R)
14 Cristiano da Matta
15 Ronnie Bremer (R)
16 Andrew Ranger (R)
17 Ryan Hunter-Reay
18 Alex Sperafico
19 Bruno Junqueira
20 Michael Valiante (R)
21 Tarso Marques
22 Ryan Dalziel (R)
23 Fabrizio del Monte (R)
24 Jorge Goeters (R)

JohnnyQ
07-28-05, 01:12 PM
Being the fifth best in laps completed in the IRL does not impress me, as the talent pool is pretty shallow. It's like having the world's fifth most powerful army or the worlds 5th ranked space program. The gap from #1 to #5 is huge.


You could say the same about Champcar as well. The talent pool in both series is very....very shallow.

Chief
07-28-05, 01:12 PM
It seems to me you don't like Danica as a racer, it's why you said "she's been worthless", it's why I responded to this thread in the first place, because her rookie results are pretty good regardless if she's a girl.

Other than the accolades I provided previously she's been worthless from a racing perspective, very much a non-factor. I don't see the brilliance of her skills to match the hype. Tooling around alone, going backwards and making excuses are not what legends are made of. I see that every week at my local short track. She didn't even lead a lap at the very race she won the pole at.

Is she better than 50% or more of the current IRL drivers? Put 'em in equal cars and find out......other than that she needs to go forward and I haven't seen it.

dando
07-28-05, 01:27 PM
You forgot the rest of the regulars she's "whipping up on". She is doing what rookies should do, stay out of trouble, get laps completed.

Alex Barron
Ed Carpenter
Scott Dixon
Dario Franchitti
Bryan Herta
Tony Kanaan
Buddy Lazier
Darren Manning
Kosuke Matsuura
Vitor Meira
Buddy Rice
Tomas Scheckter
Roger Yasukawa

:saywhat:

Current standings:

1 Dan Wheldon 377
2 Sam Hornish Jr. 309
2 Dario Franchitti 309
4 Tony Kanaan 306
5 Helio Castroneves 274
6 Scott Sharp 250
7 Vitor Meira 241
8 Tomas Scheckter 240
9 Bryan Herta 238
10 Patrick Carpentier 227
11 Danica Patrick 209
12 Alex Barron 190
13 Darren Manning 186
14 Kosuke Matsuura 185
15 Scott Dixon 172
16 Buddy Rice 161
17 Ryan Briscoe 159
18 Ed Carpenter 152
19 A.J. Foyt IV 148
20 Roger Yasukawa 143
21 Tomas Enge 131
22 Jimmy Kite 84
23 Buddy Lazier 64
24 Paul Dana 44
25 Jeff Bucknum 24
26 Sebastien Bourdais 18
27 Adrian Fernandez 16
28 Felipe Giaffone 15
29 Jaques Lazier 14
30 Marty Roth 10
30 Kenny Brack 10
30 Jeff Ward 10
30 Larry Foyt 10
30 Richie Hearn 10
30 Bruno Junqueira 10

Note that from those on your list Dario, Herta, Vitor, Kanaan, and Sheckter are ahead of The Danicle. Also, do you really want to lump Special Ed, Roger Yusucka, and Matsucka in with The Danicle? How 'bout Jimmy Kite and IV? :shakehead

Lemme know when she appears on the podium consistently in any series. Until then, she's all hype. :thumdown:

-Kevin

JLMannin
07-28-05, 06:40 PM
You could say the same about Champcar as well. The talent pool in both series is very....very shallow.

I was not trying to compare the depth of field of champcar vs IRL. I was trying to point out that zero podiums, 2 DNF's, 5th in laps completed, 9th in points, and a singe top five do not merit super-star like press coverage. If she were a guy, she'd be getting the same number of column inches in all the national papers as Timo Glock is.

G.
07-28-05, 07:25 PM
I still can't hate her. She's handling this with class. Except for a few mis-speaks (something about "winning every race") she doesn't seem to be believing in her own media hype. I wish Rahole let her be in the Atlantics.

As far as the earl relying on, encouraging, promoting, etc., etc., the DanicaMania, well, don't worry. That will resolve itself. Unfavorably to the gomers. Bank on it.

Are we allowed to have a neutral/somewhat favorable attitude towards some small aspect of the Fearl, or are we going to start calling ourselves "Offies"?

Ah, never mind. I'll get it.

5
:gomer:

Brickman
07-28-05, 08:15 PM
Yea they hype her. They would be foolish not to. ANY open wheel racing series that has a driver that the media actually pays attention to should be hyped. They would be stupid not to.

But she isn't the only thing they are hyping (http://www.indycar.com/emails).

devilmaster
07-28-05, 09:04 PM
But she isn't the only thing they are hyping (http://www.indycar.com/emails).


OOOOO!!!!!! A net commercial!!!!!!

Guess it all balances out then. DanicaMania in all its stupidity is equalled out by a net commercial. On Indycar.com no less!!!!!!!!! Where oh where did us Offcamberites go wrong?!?!? :eek:





(now where did i put that dripping with sarcasm font?)

Lizzerd
07-28-05, 09:25 PM
Man, that is lame...

fourrunner
07-28-05, 09:41 PM
Who's this Buddy Rice guy?

Mr. Toad
07-28-05, 10:54 PM
http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/dress-up/acc/shoes/clown-shoes-big.jpg

Brickman
07-28-05, 11:57 PM
OOOOO!!!!!! A net commercial!!!!!!



Actually an e-mail commercial.;)

They used http://www.mail-bots.com/ to e-mail their advertizing. Plus it wasn't 100% Danica, :shock: :eek: :surprise: they also included Toyota, Honda, Chevy, and Buddy. Still... some will complain with even a pinch of DP. So is life.

Jervis Tetch 1
07-29-05, 12:32 AM
I'm no Jenny Finch fan, but Danica sure made her look delectable.

mexican
07-29-05, 12:50 PM
Actually an e-mail commercial.;)

They used http://www.mail-bots.com/ to e-mail their advertizing. Plus it wasn't 100% Danica, :shock: :eek: :surprise: they also included Toyota, Honda, Chevy, and Buddy. Still... some will complain with even a pinch of DP. So is life.

but who headlines the commercial? Chebby? ;)

shill

oddlycalm
07-30-05, 03:46 AM
That will resolve itself. Unfavorably to the gomers. Bank on it. Exactly right, in addition to which this level of hype and over exposure is usually a career killer. Even the best drivers would have a hard time living up to it and she's still at the "getting her feet wet" stage. I hate to say it about any driver but her chances of surviving the EARL physically and with career intact are not great.

oc