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Andrew Longman
03-15-05, 06:17 PM
Picked this up over there ;) http://web.archive.org/web/19991008173124/speednet.starnews.com/speednet/irl/before/111091sn_cart.html

Great RM piece from 1991. How much sounds like recent events, especially as in a court room in January 2004?

However, nobody's pride appeared to be in worse shape than Tony G's. Despite the fact he'd been warned how strongly CART's majority felt about their turf, the rejection almost seemed to come as a shock.

...There also seems to be some bad information about CART's solvency. George reportedly offered to assume all CART's debts and pay off any outstanding loans if the merger came down.

"CART just had the best year we've ever had. We've got money in the bank and we only have to pay (John) Frasco one more million and we're done with him," said Simon of the former CART chairman. "We're in great financial shape."

Derrick Walker, who campaigned Willy T. Ribbs this season, said maybe George had been misled. "CART doesn't need to be saved, it just needs to be helped. Leadership has been lacking, for sure, but we're not coming apart like everybody thinks.


It also obvious tha TG was out of touch and out of his league from the start and that CART owners were quite aware philosophically of the advantages of a closer relationship with IMS, but were completely rational in not accepting TGs initial terms.

"We are willing to make the board smaller and put Tony on it, but there's no way we are going to accept less than 50 percent representation," said one owner, who asked not to be identified.

"We want at least the same vote as the Speedway.

"The Speedway makes big money and the car owners spend big money and this has to make sense to us."

Another owner, who also chose to remain anonymous, added, "They want us to go from total power to two votes and that's not good enough . . . That's not what we want. There's a hankerin' for a democracy and we're not going to give it up.

"We also don't feel a driver or Binford belong on the board."

Dick Simon suggested, "Tony would have had a deal signed that day if he'd dropped the driver and at-large positions. His proposal was to make Indy-car racing a level playing field and that's all we want."

nrc
03-15-05, 06:47 PM
Picked this up over there ;)
"We are willing to make the board smaller and put Tony on it, but there's no way we are going to accept less than 50 percent representation," said one owner, who asked not to be identified.

Isn't that pretty much the same position that was laid out in the latest "unification talks"?

RichK
03-15-05, 06:54 PM
It's still hard to believe we got from there to here. :(

Andrew Longman
03-15-05, 07:08 PM
Isn't that pretty much the same position that was laid out in the latest "unification talks"?


Pretty much. Same crap, new day.

TG obviously looks at the Frances and their track and their series and wants to be just like them.

Well, they started with a series and built tracks and races around it, not the other way around. TG can't expect an established series to simply quit and hand itself over to one track owner.

Besides, if TG were half the business man he needs to be, he would have realized that growth in Indy car was not going to happen by making the I500 bigger. It already was huge, but by making the series bigger elsewhere. The CART founders understood that and that was the organizing principle behind it. They had the vision and took the risk. There is no way latecomer and unproven TG was going to get more than his share.

You know, what if TG had become the IMC of Champcar? Sure IMC is a France front, but they have a symbiotic relationship too. What if TG had taken the event promotion skills of IMS (whatever they are) and promoted events at additional IMS tracks. It would have added races to the schedule, while demonstrating worth to the owners and bringing to the table the things he arguably does best and CART needed most which are CART friendly venues. It certainly would have earned him more control and a greater role on the board.

Together, with egos in check and enlightened self interest in play, that might have worked well. Oh well

sundaydriver2
03-15-05, 08:15 PM
Tony George will go down in history as the biggest moron EVER.

He took a race that had full crowds, awesome competition and sponsors galore, to a race that is hardly noticed.


Great job Toeknee!


:gomer:

Spicoli
03-15-05, 08:38 PM
Elmer shoulda worn a rubber.

Or better yet, Mari shoulda stayed sober.

racer2c
03-15-05, 08:53 PM
I don't know guys, I'm starting to look at Tony and his league in a new light.

I mean, his 'vision' has given guys like Penske, Ganassi and Andretti a place to field teams where all other open wheel series have turned their back on them. It's also given veteran road racers like Kanaan and Franchitti and Helio a chance to hone their skills to a fine edge. It's also given Toyota and Honda a chance to push technical limits never seen before.
I mean, that's what the 'vision' was all about right? Tony George, a man of vision and integrity.

:)

Opposite Lock
03-15-05, 09:39 PM
It's also given veteran road racers like Kanaan and Franchitti and Helio a chance to hone their skills to a fine edge.

:)

Not to mention Brack and Danicle.

FCYTravis
03-15-05, 09:42 PM
No, no, no, you're ALL wrong!

The Vision was quite obviously always about ensuring that the stepchildren of IMS owners have the ability to drive in the Indianapolis 500.

:rofl:

JLMannin
03-16-05, 11:49 PM
Besides, if TG were half the business man he needs to be, . . . . .

:thumbup: Good one!

His model to make the 500 bigger was to make the series that it is part of totally insignificant. Gee, Tony, it didn;t work.