Massa will outscore Villeneuve in 2005. [Archive]

Dirty Sanchez

10-26-04, 05:54 PM

errrr... maybe I wrote it wrong... or maybe you read it wrong... not really sure. 10-1 odds on Massa would mean $100 bet pays $1000 if Villeneuve loses. Not the other way around.

[edit]Massa has never beaten his teammate. JV is a defending world champ. That's why I'm setting the odds against Massa at 10-1.

Railbird

10-26-04, 06:05 PM

Hell hater I thought you were just that sure of your boy.

You want a straight bet or are you just giving Massa a 10% shot at outscoring Newtown?

Dirty Sanchez

10-26-04, 06:08 PM

hater :laugh:

more like gambler :gomer:

Massa has never beaten his teammate. JV is regarded by many as Championship material (not me). Should be an easy kill for him... just like Button. :p

I would imagine the real line is not far off... either way... odds are against Massa (I don't care who's setting the line).

Dr. Corkski

10-26-04, 07:37 PM

Railbird

10-26-04, 09:19 PM

Corkski makes the point Crapus, Massa is the rising star while JV is the aging unemployed ex-whatever. I don't see the 10-1 favorage.

Does anyone set this line?

A prop bet in Monte Carlo perhaps?

It wouldn't suprise me in the least considering some of the Nascar propostion wagering I've seen in Las Vegas.

Dr. Corkski

10-26-04, 09:26 PM

Corkski makes the point Crapus, Massa is the rising star while JV is the aging unemployed ex-whatever. I don't see the 10-1 favorage.You are taking all the fun out of it. :laugh:

I am sure Crapus set it for the fanboys who can't see that because they are too busy blaming David Richards for clubbing baby seals.

Railbird

10-26-04, 09:45 PM

Well, imo, Richards pretty much stumbled into a sweet situation with Willis onboard and Honda finaly coming to their senses somewhat. But,in the mean time, he's somehow managed to pizzoff the chosen boywonder.

JT265

10-26-04, 10:23 PM

Just how can you bet against JV, 5 time CART winner, an Atlantics and CART champion, Indy 500 winner, 11 F1 race wins, and a WDC?

Just make sure you ignore that most of those happened before Massa even reached puberty.

You had me. Right up to the point where you claimed Atlantics champ.

All bets are off now. :cry:

:D

Rogue Leader

10-26-04, 10:35 PM

Id throw some money down on Massa if he gets some good Practice/Testing in the off season. Hes got the speed, just needs a bit of Consistency.

Dirty Sanchez

10-26-04, 10:36 PM

I wish I wasn't banned at lamewagon... that's a sweet fishin' hole right there. :laugh:

Fio1

10-27-04, 12:21 AM

No doubt about it. Massa will out score Villeneuve big time....

FCYTravis

10-27-04, 01:23 AM

They even banned Mrs. Maximus?

For shame. :shakehead

Dirty Sanchez

10-27-04, 09:56 AM

Yes... and those two weasels Barton and denith still haven't paid up despite having my address and contact info. Feel free to apply pressure over at lamewagon for me. :D

Sean O'Gorman

10-27-04, 02:08 PM

You should reregister there as YFDSus Maximus. :D

Dirty Sanchez

10-28-04, 09:40 AM

yeah that would be kewl :gomer:

PopOffValve

11-10-04, 04:30 PM

Who wants some of that action? I'll take 10-1 on Massa. :thumbup:

Bring it, fanboys :D

As a Villeneuve fanboy, I totally agree with this.

I think all it's going to take is one discouraging result and it's probably over for him.

denith

11-13-04, 01:04 PM

Can I put down a $1.50 on Massa? :confused:

Dirty Sanchez

11-13-04, 02:20 PM

^supergotard :gomer:

Shadow

11-26-04, 09:01 PM

Unemployed????? He works for Sauber doesn't he?

Corkski makes the point Crapus, Massa is the rising star while JV is the aging unemployed ex-whatever. I don't see the 10-1 favorage.

Does anyone set this line?

A prop bet in Monte Carlo perhaps?

It wouldn't suprise me in the least considering some of the Nascar propostion wagering I've seen in Las Vegas.

Railbird

11-27-04, 10:26 PM

what has his status for the past eleven months been Shadow?

When Sauber hired him he was unemployed.

Shadow

11-27-04, 11:20 PM

what has his status for the past eleven months been Shadow?

When Sauber hired him he was unemployed.

Sorry Railbird, you said "unemployed" in the present tense and that was WRONG. :D

Fio1

11-28-04, 12:17 AM

Who wants some of that action? I'll take 10-1 on Massa. :thumbup: Bring it, fanboys :D

For sure, Massa is the man and Villenueve is waaaaaaaaaay overated. I'd take Niki Lauda back before Jacques anyday....

BTW, Massa will out qualify Villenueve every race but 3. And, those 3 will be because Felipe went off or something. :cool:

spinner26

11-28-04, 11:05 AM

After seeing JV in mop up duty at the end of this past season he'd better pull up the boot straps or he'll not get to finish the year. Thats my bet. Maybe he should consult fellow canuck, by birth, PT and get his pre season training sheduale. It seemed to work for Paul a couple years ago when he lost like half his weight and then he was champion.

racer2c

11-28-04, 11:37 AM

Put me down for JV.

rabbit

12-02-04, 07:56 PM

Jerez de la Frontera F1 testing - Day Two:

1) Jacques Villeneuve (CAN/Sauber-Petronas/M), 1:22s061 (74 laps)
2) Nick Heidfeld (GER/Williams-BMW/M), 1:22s430 (96)
3) Vitantonio Liuzzi (ITA/Red Bull-Cosworth/M), 1:22s900 (68)
4) Christian Klien (AUT/Red Bull-Cosworth/M), 1:23s124 (35)
5) Antonio Pizzonia (BRA/Williams-BMW/M), 1:23s382 (48)
6) Takuma Sato (JAP/BAR-Honda/M), 1:24s114 (44)
7) Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA/Renault/M), 1:24s525 (42)
8) Alexander Wurz (AUT/McLaren-Mercedes/M), 1:24s700 (48)
9) Franck Montagny (FRA/Renault/M), 1:24s774 (41)
10) Alan van der Merwe (RSA/BAR-Honda/M), 1:25s446 (36)
11) Ralf Schumacher (GER/Toyota/M), 1:26s200 (54)
12) Luca Badoer (ITA/Ferrari/B), 1:27s553 (38)
13) Marc Gené (SPA/Ferrari/B), 1:28s929 (37)
14) Pedro de La Rosa (SPA/McLaren-Mercedes/M), 1:29s697 (23)
15) Robert Doornbos (HOL/Jordan-Ford/B), 1:32s211 (51)
16) James Rossiter (ENG/BAR-Honda/M), 1:33s474 (34)
17) Enrique Bernoldi (BRA/BAR-Honda/M), 1:33s493 (14)

Cam

12-02-04, 08:24 PM

From the press releases I have seen Williams are very impressed with quick Nick! :thumbup:

I really would like to see him get a good ride and show what he has.

Forza Lancia

12-03-04, 12:16 PM

I agree with Cam. I'd love to see Nick in the Williams next year -- he has never had the chance to show what he can do with a good Formula 1 car. Maybe the current spat between Webber and Pizzonia will help pursuade Williams to give the second car to Heidfeld, although it seems that Williams has never been too concerned about how their drivers get along with each other.

racer2c

12-03-04, 12:22 PM

Hmm. Well, looky there. JV on top of the charts. :)

Shadow

12-03-04, 07:33 PM

Hmm. Well, looky there. JV on top of the charts. :)

And here is day 3. Also a wet one.

1. Jacques Villeneuve - Sauber Petronas - 1'28"345 - 81 laps
2. Luca Badoer - Ferrari - 1'29"191 - 50 laps
3. Marc Gene - Ferrari - 1'29"483 - 54 laps
4. Ralf Schumacher - Toyota - 1'29"523 - 83 laps
5. Giancarlo Fisichella - Renault - 1'29"814 - 29 laps
6. Alex Wurz - McLaren Mercedes - 1'30"151 - 33 laps
7. Christian Klien - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'30"379 - 86 laps
8. Takuma Sato - BAR Honda - 1'30"883 - 66 laps
9. Pedro de la Rosa - McLaren Mercedes - 1'31"084 - 31 laps
10. James Rossiter - BAR Honda - 1'31"194 - 43 laps
11. Vitantonio Liuzzi - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'31"876 - 26 laps
12. Franck Montagny - Renault - 1'31"935 - 25 laps
13. Enrique Bernoldi - BAR Honda - 1'32"414 - 36 laps
14. Neel Jani - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'32"700 - 11 laps
15. Robert Doornbos - Jordan Cosworth - 1'33"465 - 78 laps
16. Adam Carroll - BAR Honda - 1'33"545 - 13 laps

pinniped

12-03-04, 07:51 PM

ok, I KNOW its just testing...and its early...but that Sauber has been pretty quick most of the time...

racer2c

12-03-04, 08:20 PM

And here is day 3. Also a wet one.

1. Jacques Villeneuve - Sauber Petronas - 1'28"345 - 81 laps
2. Luca Badoer - Ferrari - 1'29"191 - 50 laps
3. Marc Gene - Ferrari - 1'29"483 - 54 laps
4. Ralf Schumacher - Toyota - 1'29"523 - 83 laps
5. Giancarlo Fisichella - Renault - 1'29"814 - 29 laps
6. Alex Wurz - McLaren Mercedes - 1'30"151 - 33 laps
7. Christian Klien - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'30"379 - 86 laps
8. Takuma Sato - BAR Honda - 1'30"883 - 66 laps
9. Pedro de la Rosa - McLaren Mercedes - 1'31"084 - 31 laps
10. James Rossiter - BAR Honda - 1'31"194 - 43 laps
11. Vitantonio Liuzzi - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'31"876 - 26 laps
12. Franck Montagny - Renault - 1'31"935 - 25 laps
13. Enrique Bernoldi - BAR Honda - 1'32"414 - 36 laps
14. Neel Jani - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'32"700 - 11 laps
15. Robert Doornbos - Jordan Cosworth - 1'33"465 - 78 laps
16. Adam Carroll - BAR Honda - 1'33"545 - 13 laps

I think that f'n rocks. Go Jacques!

Rogue Leader

12-03-04, 11:10 PM

I think that f'n rocks. Go Jacques!

To quote Rowdy Burns "we'll see how you do in a crowd"...

racer2c

12-03-04, 11:33 PM

To quote Rowdy Burns "we'll see how you do in a crowd"...

To quote Rowdy Piper "Jacque is taking you all down!!!!"

rabbit

12-04-04, 01:25 AM

To quote Rowdy Piper "Jacque is taking you all down!!!!"
:D:thumbup:

Railbird

12-04-04, 08:31 AM

Realizing that this is testing....

But, if Jacques has the speed the "crowd" thing will present little if any problems. Of those on the '05 grid only JV and JPM have shown the grit to actually take the fight to Scummy.

And no, I'm not forgetting Kimi, I admire his pace but I've yet to see him force the issue when the chips are down.

Now back to the fact that this is very early testing...

Dirty Sanchez

12-04-04, 02:59 PM

Railbird

12-05-04, 08:54 AM

I doubt anyone taking those odds would have the wherewithal to actually own a benjiman.

pinniped

12-05-04, 07:38 PM

considering that they aren't even running '05 spec cars with Monza-like downforce... yeah... its early days.

I still stand by my prediction, but I hope Cheques keeps it up. I'll have the fish jumping in the boat before too long :gomer:

True enough, but they ARE running o4 cars with 05 pieces on them. And, one has to wonder if Sauber is yet running the 04 Ferrari engine, or the Michelin tires that it intends to run next season.

I am of the opinion that certain drivers are victims of terrible luck that seems to for whatever reason fall on them in a given season. Villeneuve in his last season at BAR was one of those; Zanardi at Williams was another example. Give him time to get the reactions back in tune and he might be very fast.