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JohnHKart
10-06-04, 07:54 AM
I was about to blast the British Govt, but perhaps Chiron's more the one to blame. I swear by the flu shot, when I don't take it I have gotten sick. But never do I get sick when I get the shot. I need it, being a singing pro musician I can't get sick!

John


Supply of flu vaccine halved

By Andrew Pollack

Nearly half of the nation's expected supply of flu vaccine will not be available this winter because the British government has suspended the manufacturing license at the factory in Liverpool that manufacturers it, federal officials said Tuesday.
The unexpected development, coming just as the flu season is starting, means there will almost certainly be a significant shortage of the vaccine this winter.

Los Angeles County and local health officials were scrambling for a game plan Tuesday after the announcement.

Dr. Jonathan Fielding, director of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, said officials there are still trying to figure out how much vaccine it will lose and how to deal with patients who rely on county assistance for inoculations.

"We're going to have much less flu vaccine in L.A. County than we anticipated,' Fielding said. "It's important to concentrate on higher-risk groups and ask that those in higher-risk groups go first.'

Such groups include children between 6 and 23 months and the elderly, he said.

"This is very disappointing news that creates a serious challenge to our vaccine supply for the upcoming season,' Tommy G. Thompson, secretary of health and human services, said at a news conference on Tuesday. He added, "Our immediate focus will be on making sure the supply of vaccines we do have reaches those who are most vulnerable.'

Vanessa Carter, director for the West Covina Senior Center, said officials were planning for a flu-shot clinic at the center in November. The vaccine is supplied by the county.

Typically, more than 300 seniors get their vaccination there, she said. The county has not informed her whether or not the center will be facing a shortage of vaccine.

"I'm most concerned about any type of shortage in that area because the senior population is the population most at risk,' Carter said. "The county representatives that we deal with take their jobs very seriously, and we're doing everything we can to keep us all well informed and keep the seniors at the center safe.'

The manufacturing license was suspended for three months because of concerns over sterility. As a result, Chiron Corp., the American biotechnology company that owns the factory, said it would not be able to supply any of the 46 million to 48 million doses it had planned to sell in the United States this year.

Federal officials had been hoping to have 100 million vaccine doses available this winter, up from 87 million last winter, when an early outbreak of flu season and well- publicized deaths of some children contributed to a shortage. Now they expect to have just 54 million doses from the other major manufacturer, Aventis, and 1 million to 2 million doses of a nasal spray vaccine from MedImmune.

The county typically receives about 3 million doses of flu vaccine, but Fielding said he does not know how much of that comes from Chiron versus Aventis.

In late August, Chiron had said it would delay shipments of its vaccine until early this month and cut the number of doses it would supply by about 4 million because it had found some contamination in a small number of batches. But the company and federal officials had said publicly as recently as last week that they expected the problem to be resolved.

Federal authorities are now scrambling to find additional supplies. The other manufacturers are not expected to be able to increase supply that much because of the time it takes to produce vaccine. Tests run by the government a few years ago suggested that half the usual dose would suffice for healthy people.

There are also more than 1 million doses officials would not say how many of the Chiron vaccine already in the United States. But authorities said that vaccine would not be distributed unless the FDA determined it was safe.

Federal authorities said they would not try to seize control of the flu vaccine supply but would work through existing channels to try to direct the vaccine to those who will be given priority.

Besides the elderly and infants, those include people 2 to 64 with a chronic health condition such as heart disease, pregnancy, residents of long-term care facilities, children who take aspirin chronically, health- care workers who are directly involved in patient care, residents of long-term care facilities and those who care for infants.

But since some vaccine has already been distributed, there could be confusion and spot shortages.

"We will get through, of course, but it will be a huge headache because it will affect every provider of influenza vaccine in the country,' said Dr. William Schaffner, chairman of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine. His own hospital, he said, had placed its entire order with Chiron and would now have to scramble to get any supply at all.

This is not the first shortage of vaccines for flu. Besides the one last year, there was one in 2000.

Staff Writer Christina L. Esparza contributed to this story.

JLMannin
10-06-04, 12:33 PM
You could buy a shot from a Canadian on-line pharmacy that is actually made somewhere in Timbuktoo and is likely counterfiet :shakehead

rabbit
10-06-04, 01:04 PM
/never had a flu shot

Dirty Sanchez
10-06-04, 02:10 PM
me either.

Priority Groups for Influenza Vaccination

The following priority groups for vaccination with inactivated influenza vaccine this season are considered to be of equal importance and are:

*all children aged 6–23 months
*adults aged 65 years and older
*persons aged 2–64 years with underlying chronic medical conditions
*all women who will be pregnant during the influenza season
*residents of nursing homes and long-term care facilities
*children aged 6 months–18 years on chronic aspirin therapy
*health-care workers involved in direct patient care
*out-of-home caregivers and household contacts of children aged <6 months.

RaceGrrl
10-06-04, 02:32 PM
In our office I'm exposed to patients with flu but have never had the shot. I guess I feel like I'll take my chances since it only protects against a couple of strains out of hundreds of thousands.

We ordered 800 vaccines, but now we don't know if we'll get any of them. Still waiting to hear from our supplier. The phones have been ringing off the hook today with our geriatric patients worried that there won't be enough vaccine to go around.

RacinM3
10-06-04, 03:35 PM
Isn't this tired old FLU SHOT SHORTAGE!!! deal dragged out every year? :rolleyes:

JoeBob
10-06-04, 03:38 PM
I don't mind my immune system getting the occasional workout fending off the bad stuff.

George Carlin put it well:

Let me tell you a true story about immunization. When i was a little boy in New York City in the 1940s, we swam in the Hudson River. And it was filled with raw sewage. Okay? We swam in raw sewage! You know, to cool off.

At that time the big fear was polio; thousands of kids died from polio every year. But you know somethin'? In my neighborhood no one ever got polio. No one. Ever! You know why? Because we swam in raw sewage! It strengthened our immune systems. The polio never had a prayer; we were tempered in raw ****!

And you know something? In spite of all of that so-called risky behavior, I never get infections. I just don't get 'em, folks. I don't get colds, I don't get flu, and I don't get food poisoning. And Ya know why? Because I have a good, strong immune system, and it gets a lot of practice.

JohnHKart
10-07-04, 06:07 AM
Isn't this tired old FLU SHOT SHORTAGE!!! deal dragged out every year? :rolleyes:

Yes there have been shortages, but never has the company that supplies the majority of the shots been completely shut down. What a cluster f***.

John

Warlock!
10-07-04, 08:55 AM
/never had a flu shot
Got one once, and was sick the whole f****ing winter. Never again.

Warlock!

KLang
10-07-04, 09:15 AM
I've never had one. I got turned off on them after the swine flu deal back in 1976. So far I've only actually had the flu once. If I had kids I might look at it differently though.

anait
10-07-04, 09:57 AM
Mr anait got a flu shot one year...he promptly caught a different flu. I've never had one. We and the kids get our fair shares of various flus (sp?) each winter, but so far have managed to fight them all off.

But does getting a flu shot actually interfere with your immune system? Pardon my ignorance, biology's not my interest. :D I know how dangerous it is to misuse antibiotics...but isn't a flu shot a vaccine? Makes your immune system react to it, and create its own antibodies? Maybe I'm way off base...

Methanolandbrats
10-07-04, 10:58 AM
The Flu Vaccine is a collection of dead virus'. The strains selected are the ones most likely to sweep the Globe during the upcoming flu season. The dead virus' cause an immune reaction so your body is ready to go if the live virus should populate you. Then the duration and severity of the illness is reduced. Even if you are infected by a strain not in the serum, the odds are you will become less ill. Respiratory complications from the flu kill people, especially kids and older people.

Joe in LA
10-07-04, 11:26 AM
The vast majority do not need the flu shot--and you might want to check what preservatives are in it before having it injected.

The vaccine prepares the immune system to fight the virus, but there is good reason to beleive that over the long term, you are better off getting the flu and building you immunity and immune system strength the old fashioned way--unless the flu is a real life threatening type. Getting a vaccine for ever ordinary flu is massive overkill.

Many vaccines--esp. flu vaccines use Thimersol (sp?) as a preservative. Thimersol is @50% mercury. You wouldn't handle mercury--why would you want to inject it? The FDA has "recommended" it not be used, but has not banned it. Buyer beware.

oddlycalm
10-07-04, 07:35 PM
Priority Groups for Influenza Vaccination

The following priority groups for vaccination with inactivated influenza vaccine this season are considered to be of equal importance and are.....Bingo. The simple reason for some level of shortage every year (regardless of other factors) is that most of the people getting shots are not on that list because the shots are mostly given out at grocery stores without regard to risk factor or need. As for concerns about the safety of the shots, more healthy adults die from influenza in a given year than develop minor side effects from getting a vaccination.

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Anteater
10-10-04, 02:44 PM
I don't like getting the flu, so I usually get a flu shot. Historically this has served me pretty well; I've never had an adverse reaction, and remained healthy while people all around me were getting sick. I didn't get one last year, though, and got the flu at the worse possible time: the week before Christmas. We almost had to cancel the annual family Christmas party at my house. I vowed never again to skip that flu shot, but it looks like I will this year.

BTW, there is no shortage of the more expensive nasal vaccine (FluMist), but no way is anyone going to spray live viruses in my nose!

Jag_Warrior
10-10-04, 09:10 PM
I don't like getting the flu, so I usually get a flu shot. Historically this has served me pretty well; I've never had an adverse reaction, and remained healthy while people all around me were getting sick. I didn't get one last year, though, and got the flu at the worse possible time: the week before Christmas. We almost had to cancel the annual family Christmas party at my house. I vowed never again to skip that flu shot, but it looks like I will this year.

BTW, there is no shortage of the more expensive nasal vaccine (FluMist), but no way is anyone going to spray live viruses in my nose!

An FYI that might concern you, as it concerned me. I usually don't take a flu shot. But my dad's doc suggested I take one this year, because I'm with him so much. He said I'd be considered a quasi-caregiver, so the restrictions wouldn't affect me. I would say it's the same for you, if you have any problems getting a shot.

Anteater
10-12-04, 11:36 AM
Good point, Jag, but it looks as though even my 80-year-old father is going to have trouble getting the shot. His caregiver took him to the doctor yesterday, and found out that the doctor is not getting any of the vaccine supply. And this is a geriatric care specialist! I'm going to have to find another place where Dad can get the vaccine.