View Full Version : So, where is the ratings thread
Mike Kellner
06-01-04, 01:22 PM
Again, what is not being said says much. You know that if the FNS 500 had drawn better ratings than last year, Lemming propagandists would be all over every racing forum trumpeting the results. That can only mean one thing. They must be even worse than last year.
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mk
Steve99
06-01-04, 02:49 PM
To low to measure maybe? ;)
My guess is tomorrow. I've been Googling, and I can't find anything. Jayski doesn't have the Cup ratings up, and he's usually good @ getting them up right away. Plus, Martzke's column should be due out in USA Today. I'll bet rain helped sink them to an all-time low, or @ least that will be the spin out of Indy.... :shakehead
-Kevin
assuming they are bad, the bad weather has given excuses for the tv and attendance figures
assuming they are bad, the bad weather has given excuses for the tv and attendance figures
However, much of the midwest had rainy weather on Sunday. That might increase ratings as more people stayed inside.
Whatever the race lacks in ratings, it will make up for in quantity. It was on for something like 8 hours!!! About twice the normal amount of coverage. So (using Defender math), if the ratings are down even by half over last year, its a wash!!! :gomer:
Napoleon
06-01-04, 04:39 PM
However, much of the midwest had rainy weather on Sunday. That might increase ratings as more people stayed inside.
Here in Ohio it was very good during the day light hours, so ratings from here would suffer if weather plays a factor.
Formula 409
06-01-04, 04:55 PM
Overnight is a 4.6 with an 11 share during the live racing portions. Down 10-13% from last year.
It was the longest non-olympic sports broadcast in TV history at 8:22.
Racewriter
06-01-04, 08:14 PM
IRL always drops from the overnight to the final...
fourrunner
06-01-04, 09:27 PM
IRL always drops from the overnight to the final...
Yup ...
But what the real number is how much its down since the "Split"
Last year it was down 10% from the year before that and now a preliminary 10-13% from last year
Yeah Penske is dealing from a real position of strength in his "wacky" unification idea!
mexican
06-01-04, 10:14 PM
didn't ole Rog give an 18 month life span on 2 OW series existing?
when did that happen?
didn't ole Rog give an 18 month life span on 2 OW series existing?
when did that happen?
Penske predicted the demise of champcars in August 2002. February 2004 has come and gone and OWRS has run two races and has the third in the season coming this weekend.
Eat it, Pimpski!
Brickman
06-02-04, 01:16 AM
Overnight is a 4.6 with an 11 share during the live racing portions. Down 10-13% from last year.
It was the longest non-olympic sports broadcast in TV history at 8:22.
Man I didn't know they kept it going, did they switch to ESPN during the broadcast or stay with ABC?
Insomniac
06-02-04, 08:03 AM
didn't ole Rog give an 18 month life span on 2 OW series existing?
when did that happen?
Around Indy in 2001, 2002 and 2003. This year he decided to call for reuninfication.
4wheeldrifter
06-02-04, 08:23 AM
didn't ole Rog give an 18 month life span on 2 OW series existing?
when did that happen?
It's a moving window. That's the gotcha. :laugh: Someday he'll be right. He'll also be right about his end of the world prediction someday.
Eat it indeed.
Here's the "good" bad news:
In a further indication of NASCAR's surging national appeal, the Coca-Cola 600 fired a 5.0 national rating and captured its third consecutive ratings victory over the Indianapolis 500, which posted a 4.1 national rating. -- Fox Sports
see all the damage here (In a further indication of NASCAR's surging national appeal, the Coca-Cola 600 fired a 5.0 national rating and captured its third consecutive ratings victory over the Indianapolis 500, which posted a 4.1 national rating)
In a further indication of NASCAR's surging national appeal, the Coca-Cola 600 fired a 5.0 national rating and captured its third consecutive ratings victory over the Indianapolis 500, which posted a 4.1 national rating. -- Fox Sports
And of the course the Lemmings are practicing denial of those ratings on scale that eclipses pathological.
4.1 this year, 3.something for 2005.
Good job Tony.
Mike Kellner
06-02-04, 09:00 PM
Refresh my memory. Long, long ago, in another reality, before Tony had his visions, didn't Long Beach get 4+ ratings?
mk
Tony George, saving IndyCar racing, one vision at a time.
sundaydriver2
06-02-04, 09:14 PM
Actual race coverage from 2:00-2:45pm and from 4:30-7:30pm ET earned a 4.6/11 overnight rating. The first rain delay from 12:00-2:00pm drew a 3.6/9 and the second rain delay from 2:45-4:30pm posted a 3.7/9. The 4.1 preliminary "national" final for the Indy 500 represents a drop of 11% from last year.
I think the only reason the rating was as high as a 4.1 was because viewers were tuning in when the race should have been over. If the race had not gone way over, the rating would have been sub 4.0. :gomer:
Tony does bring his hammer to work everyday. Too bad he keeps whacking himself in the head with it. :D
• ABC's 4.7 average overnight rating for the segments of Sunday's waterlogged Indianapolis 500 telecast during which racing occurred slipped 8% from last year's 5.1. Segments of coverage during two long rain delays averaged a 3.6 overnight and would have dropped the overall average for the event to about a 3.9, but they were not counted, "which is normal and appropriate on auto racing, including NASCAR," said ABC spokesman Mark Mandel.
From Rudy Martzke's column in USA Today linky (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/martzke/2004-06-01-martzke_x.htm)...I'm sure the advertisers love to hear that coming from ABC. That's far more palatable for NASCAB advertisers considering the ratings are usually not lower.
-Kevin
Hot Rod Otis
06-02-04, 10:37 PM
Refresh my memory. Long, long ago, in another reality, before Tony had his visions, didn't Long Beach get 4+ ratings?
mk
Tony George, saving IndyCar racing, one vision at a time.
Don't know about Long Beach, but the 1995 Marlboro 500 @ MIS had a final rating right around a 4.0.
Here's the "good" bad news:
In a further indication of NASCAR's surging national appeal, the Coca-Cola 600 fired a 5.0 national rating and captured its third consecutive ratings victory over the Indianapolis 500, which posted a 4.1 national rating. -- Fox Sports
see all the damage here (In a further indication of NASCAR's surging national appeal, the Coca-Cola 600 fired a 5.0 national rating and captured its third consecutive ratings victory over the Indianapolis 500, which posted a 4.1 national rating)
A bit more from the AP story on the NASCAB vs. IRL 500 ratings:
Not surprisingly, Fox's coverage of the Coca-Cola 600 NASCAR race performed better, with a 5.0 rating. The 22 percent disparity was the largest since the NASCAR races overtook the Indy 500 in the ratings three years ago.
-Kevin
pineapple
06-03-04, 12:41 AM
It really doesn't matter what the numbers are. As long as the numbers are less than what they were last year, it's just plain bad.
Looks like Tony brought the wrong currency to the Nielsen households.
This story says 4.1. Not sure if that's a final or just the number without all the rain delay taken out. Lower than the 600 for the third straight year and futher behind than ever.
http://sports.myway.com/news/06022004/v1840.html
Also, this is only a tenth better than the the rating for the Michigan 500 in 1995. Fixed it good, Tony.
From Foxsports:
Sunday's heated TV viewership rivalry between the Indianapolis 500 and NASCAR Nextel Cup's Coca-Cola 600 produced the widest ratings disparity since 2000. That year however, it was the Indianapolis 500 that topped the Coca-Cola 600 by a margin of +61% (5.5 on ABC vs. 3.4 on TBS). This past Sunday produced an entirely different result. In a further indication of NASCAR's surging national appeal, the Coca-Cola 600 fired a 5.0 national rating and captured its third consecutive ratings victory over the Indianapolis 500, which posted a 4.1 national rating. The +22% gap over Indy represents the widest margin of victory favoring the Coca-Cola 600 in the history of both events. From a viewership standpoint, NASCAR's victory was even more impressive as the Coca-Cola 600 generated an average audience of 8.4 million over a 4.5-hour broadcast, while the Indianapolis 500 drew 6.1 million, a difference of + 38%.
Facts and figures:
Coca-Cola 600 vs. Indy 500
HH Rtg - +22% - (5.0 vs. 4.1)
M18-34 - +200% - (3.0 vs. 1.0)
M18-49 - +110% - (4.4 vs. 2.1)
M25-54 - +86% - (5.2 vs. 2.8)
P2+ - +38% - (8.4 mill vs. 6.1)
JLMannin
06-03-04, 12:10 PM
From Foxsports:
Facts and figures:
Coca-Cola 600 vs. Indy 500
HH Rtg - +22% - (5.0 vs. 4.1)
M18-34 - +200% - (3.0 vs. 1.0)
M18-49 - +110% - (4.4 vs. 2.1)
M25-54 - +86% - (5.2 vs. 2.8)
P2+ - +38% - (8.4 mill vs. 6.1)
So, this must mean that the vast majority of the IRL audience is either female or men over age 54.
KobySon
06-03-04, 01:50 PM
So, this must mean that the vast majority of the IRL audience is either female or men over age 54.
I was in Washington DC on Sunday and met a WWII vet ( :thumbup: ) on the mall that said he lives "10 miles away from the speedway". He was hoping that the event would be rain delayed till Monday so he could watch it.
Maybe this explains the ratings drop. A large portion of the Indy viewing audience was attending the WWII memorial dedication and couldn't watch the event.
Better add that to the excuse list. :D
RacinM3
06-03-04, 02:25 PM
So, is this correct?
1995: 8.4
2004: 4.1
If so, :thumdown:
Mike Kellner
06-03-04, 06:16 PM
1995: 8.4
2004: 4.1
Refresh my memory. Weren't poor ratings brought about by CART mismanagement one of the original justifications for the Tantrum/Lockout?
Coca Cola 600 = 5.0
Indy 500 = 4.1
Refresh my memory some more. Wasn't IndyCar's poor ratings vis a vis NASCAR another justification?
mk
Sean O'Gorman
06-03-04, 06:38 PM
Nice to see you are still obsessing over a Indy nearly a week after it ended, Kellner. Especially funny when you consider that you've only posted in the Champ Car forum once in the past month.
"Imagine theres no Indy, its easy if you try"
:gomer:
Mike Kellner
06-03-04, 06:40 PM
And your point is?
lone_groover
06-03-04, 06:49 PM
Where the ratings at?
:)
The meltdown at TurdForum is amazing. I guess FoxSports was the first to post the finals showing that the Nascar race beat out the 500. They quickly asked for proof and started their usual Email campaign on ethics to ESPN(which published the same thing as FoxSports) and to FoxSports. It was quiet once the NYtimes published the finals. It's pretty sad if they were going to claim a huge victory when their biggest race beats one of Nascar's lowest ratings wise races of the year.
racer2c
06-03-04, 08:02 PM
Where the ratings at?
:)
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