View Full Version : An interesting top down comparison of 2 early 2022 cars
devilmaster
02-11-22, 10:00 AM
Guess there is some room to work around the guidelines.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZ1SUQ-FmkZ/?utm_medium=share_sheet
https://twitter.com/BradleyPhilpot/status/1491793454715731981?s=20&t=_j_Hxb6A2pYklsK86btASQ
That is a pretty dramatic difference. I'm quite interested to see the rest.
devilmaster
02-11-22, 11:55 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1492154073759555584
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Kinda has an old Lola look to it with high sidepod intakes
pfc_m_drake
02-11-22, 02:53 PM
Love it.
Love it all!:thumbup:
https://i.redd.it/gert20p9a9h81.jpg
Not in keeping with thread title but interesting nonetheless
Every Aston Martin F1 car. 1959 & 1960 and most recent two years
https://i.redd.it/b35ixj2d1dh81.jpg
Back in topic :gomer:
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https://i.redd.it/d041mr62kah81.jpg
nissan gtp
02-12-22, 04:31 PM
First good looking F1 cars for a long time.
WickerBill
02-12-22, 05:19 PM
I think McLaren have gotten some things very wrong compared to Aston.
There, since I said that out loud, they're going to be awesome now. :)
stroker
02-13-22, 09:56 AM
Okay, so the McLaren is longer, slimmer and has a longer wheelbase. That would, presumably, be the car for long fast courses? The Haas reminds me of the aero on the Britten motorcycle with the widest part of the vehicle moved forward and then a long taper to reduce turbulence.
McLaren launch with shrouding to conceal design
https://i.redd.it/alksh6ohqkh81.jpg
And then there’s this…
https://i.redd.it/rrfrkwo8zhh81.jpg
:gomer:s everywhere
https://i.redd.it/vmry6kncohh81.jpg
I hate the size of the recent chassis.
pfc_m_drake
02-13-22, 07:22 PM
https://i.redd.it/d041mr62kah81.jpg
The Aston has taken an interesting approach in that, in the initial top-down they appear to have a lot less 'exposed' diffuser floor as you work from front to back.
HOWEVER
If you take a look at what's going on your post #7, what they've actually done is ducted the radiator inlet about halfway up the chassis for almost the entire length of the car. But they still have ~about the same amount of exposed diffuser floor - it's just separated from the 'top' of the car by the extended radiator extension.
Assuming that feature is 'real' and not just a launch-specification, I'll be interested to see how that either does or doesn't differentiate them from their competition.
Can you tell I'm an aero guy who has next-to-no-interest in the Super Bowl that's about ti kick off :D
stroker
02-13-22, 11:29 PM
AM trying to create a boundary layer on the top of the sidepods to reduce drag?
Alpha Tauri comparison
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1493194561992146951?s=20&t=l0Hfb6EiIvR3qKtYc_VeDg
AT01 vs AT02 vs AT03
https://i.redd.it/4z6npc1ffsh81.jpg
https://i.redd.it/w6h2l554fsh81.jpg
https://i.redd.it/u8cf5iug8sh81.png
AT is a tender so they have probably concealed much of the details. Although they show the mandatory wheel fairings. First team to do so.
https://i.redd.it/z1lzb1urhsh81.jpg
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1493210982310723592
pfc_m_drake
02-14-22, 02:48 PM
AM trying to create a boundary layer on the top of the sidepods to reduce drag?They're definitely being more 'proactive' with how they're directing airflow. The AT that Steve posted seems to be taking a similar approach.
Good stuff!
Williams only revealed their livery today
WickerBill
02-15-22, 11:32 AM
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I don't understand the moves by so many teams to all-dark liveries. Did they not see the Astons last year being almost indistinguishable from the Mercedes in cloudy conditions? This is another car that's going to be dull and dark unless it's absolutely sunny or it's a night race.
nissan gtp
02-15-22, 11:56 AM
The on-track shots of the real Williams look nice, but yeah, it's dark blue on black, so will be dark on tv. Looks like high front wings are the solution so far.
and, no Senna logo ?
"Williams Racing did a fake 2022 car launch today and only unveiled their new livery on the spec F1 show car that will adorn the FW44, the team’s vibrant new challenger for the 2022 FIA Formula One season."
https://twitter.com/BradleyPhilpot/status/1493610852913750017?s=20&t=qLp9Ijy8XhFOoEQH3feFcQ
ANALYSIS: Williams forge their own path with FW44 design (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.analysis-williams-forge-their-own-path-with-fw44-design.5u6wJFgUpltHBHl479PX0d.html)
https://twitter.com/andihaupt1/status/1493614742354673666?cxt=HHwWhICy1bqssbopAAAA
https://twitter.com/ESPNF1/status/1493589645824770049 :gomer:
https://twitter.com/Formula24hrs/status/1493547680471076864?s=20&t=dxreESs2fSIuWcIs9VH-mA
https://i.redd.it/da85tdusc2i81.jpg
pfc_m_drake
02-15-22, 08:57 PM
The on-track shots of the real Williams look nice, but yeah, it's dark blue on black, so will be dark on tv. Looks like high front wings are the solution so far.
and, no Senna logo ?
Re: Senna Logo - First Paragraph here
https://racer.com/2022/02/15/williams-shakes-down-fw44/?utm_source=RACER+%2F%2F+Newsletter&utm_campaign=59ce7b6a5b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_02_15_08_25&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_76623d07b6-59ce7b6a5b-274258061
https://i.redd.it/3dq0n64hdzh81.jpg
WickerBill
02-15-22, 09:25 PM
I've probably mentioned it before, but I didn't expect the tires to be such balloons on the 18" wheels. I thought the sidewall would be half that height.
Those wheel fairings are going to be a driver visibility issue.
I've probably mentioned it before, but I didn't expect the tires to be such balloons on the 18" wheels. I thought the sidewall would be half that height.
Those wheel fairings are going to be a driver visibility issue.
The sidewall is oddly rounded. Like a narrow treadwidth tire mounted on too wide a wheel.
opinionated ow
02-16-22, 03:48 AM
I really don't get the carry-on about the lack of a Senna logo. It was nearly 30 years ago. I don't see every team with a history (in one of it's iterations) of a dead driver carrying tributes.
I really don't get the carry-on about the lack of a Senna logo. It was nearly 30 years ago. I don't see every team with a history (in one of it's iterations) of a dead driver carrying tributes.
“The decision was that we want to move on in the future,” new team boss Jost Capito, who runs the now Dorilton Capital-owned team, said.
“We have a new era, we have a new car and we refurbished our museum where we have a special area to celebrate Ayrton.
“We had to look for the future and not show the drivers the ‘S’ every time they get in the car to be reminded of what happened,” Capito added.
He admitted that Senna’s family, and the Instituto Ayrton Senna organization, was not consulted prior to the decision.
“We will be connecting with the Senna family to increase our contribution to the Senna foundation,” announced Capito.
“We believe in the foundation’s program, it helps a lot of people. The form in which we will do more here has not yet been decided.”
I've probably mentioned it before, but I didn't expect the tires to be such balloons on the 18" wheels. I thought the sidewall would be half that height.
Those wheel fairings are going to be a driver visibility issue.
“The view is different,” McLaren’s Norris admits, “starting with the larger wheels with these fairings. That could become a problem on circuits like Monaco or Singapore.
“We’ve seen this wheel size in Formula 2 and one of my friends said the boundaries of the circuit had to be shown in some places with cones because you couldn’t see that well anymore from the cockpit.
“It will all need getting used to, especially as we only have three days total per driver of testing, which is not much if we have to get used to a completely different driving style,” the 22-year-old added.
However, F1 veteran and now Aston Martin test driver Nico Hulkenberg plays down the issue.
“I heard that the driver’s view could be worse,” said the German, “but I didn’t get that impression from the simulator.
“You just see a little more rim and a little less rubber, that’s all.”
WickerBill
02-16-22, 10:39 AM
That should say "185cm tall Nico Hulkenberg says..." :)
Leaked photo
https://i.redd.it/bo0b3wthd7i81.jpg
Interesting comments on Williams
https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1493898965162631171
Ferrari side pods
https://i.imgur.com/yk6aY9U.jpg
nissan gtp
02-17-22, 09:55 AM
wow that Ferrari is really interesting. the nose is two piece, so they can change the tip/wings without impacting crash approval (ie, no expensive retest )
WickerBill
02-17-22, 10:15 AM
Interesting comments on Williams
https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1493898965162631171
Wouldn't it be a kick in the teeth to Mr. Russell if the Williams was suddenly better than the Merc this season...
Revealed: Ferrari’s radical 2022 F1 nose idea (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/revealed-ferrari-radical-f1-2022-nose/8253654/)
https://i.redd.it/r9c9jr5qcei81.png
https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1494300863036338185
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pfc_m_drake
02-17-22, 12:39 PM
https://i.redd.it/ox9j3kv78ei81.png
The Ferrari sidepods almost have a 2002 Lola ChampCar stylistic look to them.
Their front wing, however, (in your post below) I suspect is a launch-spec 'cartoon' rather than a working-concept.
I love it all!
Ferrari sidepods hint at unique direction for F1-75 (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.analysis-ferrari-sidepods-hint-at-unique-direction-for-f1-75.7CoDEDU1HKSZHZmv6Ri3eM.html)
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/f175front.jpg.transform/9col/image.jpg
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https://twitter.com/lawrobarretto/status/1494350872930828290
Only a rendering
https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/f1/misc/mercedesw13launch1.jpg
https://i.redd.it/hd6nt8s9bki81.png
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/mclferrarifrontcomp.jpg.transform/6col-retina/image.jpg
At Silverstone
https://i.redd.it/red1ou0q2ni81.jpg
https://i.redd.it/8xf58mzcxmi81.jpg
The floor! A lot going on there.
HAM
https://streamable.com/bkc1qm
HAM again
https://i.redd.it/u5y41s51umi81.jpg
https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1494746030742683651?s=20&t=t15D0plC3pLdAh1cJ8cZkg
What’s behind Mercedes' new wavy-edged F1 design (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new-mercedes-f1-tech-analysis/8290663/)
https://i.redd.it/d9oue3jjzli81.jpg
datachicane
02-18-22, 08:01 PM
Awesome stuff!
pfc_m_drake
02-18-22, 10:30 PM
Awesome stuff!
agreed!
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https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1496499531504140294?t=5VE5VZh-mhAZ8vFkYfyO3g&s=19
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1496496131462864897
https://twitter.com/andihaupt1/status/1496490019921580037
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https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1496459420846469121
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https://i.redd.it/0zdabi46lkj81.jpg
WickerBill
02-23-22, 12:17 PM
Keeeeep it coming Steve!!
https://i.redd.it/x3gsx1syzjj81.jpg
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https://i.redd.it/o202brhd1kj81.jpg
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https://twitter.com/JoostNederpelt/status/1496510798428000261
https://i.redd.it/o35ok9y6znj81.jpg
https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1496613489611362306?t=hOGwUlI1I0UEP0glbUt_Mw&s=19
https://i.redd.it/d8y91e7b6nj81.jpg
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https://twitter.com/autosportlive/status/1496532749267656707
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1496517036633112582
https://i.redd.it/tr6y2q1dvlj81.jpg
pfc_m_drake
02-23-22, 08:08 PM
SteveH - you are AMAZING!
Thanks for all the hard work :thumbup:
devilmaster
02-24-22, 01:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vsBPDsAlm0 (f1 blocks embedding vids.)
Ok, this was the original model concept car video that was posted 2 years ago now. it'll be interesting to see if those computational models still are valid when cars get nose to tail racing after what teams have done for their cars.
I assume that the sidepod vents are to try and get a little more air to the rear wing. I'm guessing that the floor gives good enough downforce near top speed, and everyone is trying to get a little more downforce from the wings in slow and medium corners.
(i'm working away 14 hour days for 21 so I haven't been able to follow too much. thanks again steve for keeping the thread going)
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