Gene Haas to F1

[Elmo T]

Not sure if this is new news or not...

FIA grants Formula One entry to Haas (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/4/15715.html)


Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, confirmed on Friday that it has accepted an application from Gene Haas to enter a new team in the F1 world championship.

The American NASCAR team owner’s entry was granted after a lengthy evaluation process and the new squad now hopes to be on the grid for the 2015 season.

[Gnam]

Now THAT'S racing! :gomer:

http://s16.postimg.org/5mjsan4sl/7cl_XOh_J.jpg

[Andrew Longman]

So the grid expands by at least one. That improves the show. I wonder if the money pot does too. ;)

[nissan gtp]

my first thought.... toasters

[opinionated ow]

Cough usf1 cough

[WickerBill]

Hope he doesn't make it all about the stars and stripes... just pick good drivers, man. If one happens along from the States in a few years that's worthy, great. Hope he gets the second Honda contract.

[Easy]

I think they've had a conditional arrangement for Ferrari drivelines since this process started.

My expectations for Haas F1; a late summer request to defer their entry to 2016, which will be denied and their entry revoked.

I hope I'm wrong. If this fails miserably it will be decades before another US group gets an invite, no matter how ready they are.

[SteveH]

Isn't Dallara going to build the chassis?

Wonder if it will be built in Indy? :tony:

[Easy]

I thought it was pretty well understood that Haas would be a Dallara-Ferrari combo for the first year but he saying HERE (http://msn.foxsports.com/speed/formula-1/f1-engine-deal-is-next-move-for-haas-team/), that locking down an engine supplier is the first order of business. Given current form, I'd be looking for a way out of Ferrari and into Mercedes.

[opinionated ow]

I thought it was pretty well understood that Haas would be a Dallara-Ferrari combo for the first year but he saying HERE (http://msn.foxsports.com/speed/formula-1/f1-engine-deal-is-next-move-for-haas-team/), that locking down an engine supplier is the first order of business. Given current form, I'd be looking for a way out of Ferrari and into Mercedes.

Well there will be a surplus of Mercedes engines next year...

Dallara can build a competent chassis if they're properly funded unlike the HRT farce...

[Rogue Leader]

This effort is way way way more likely to actually put a proper car on track than USF1 ever would. Haas has astronomical amounts of money. That said its only a matter of time before he gets tired of burning it. He has somewhat of an infrastructure in place, wind tunnel etc. Theoretically its all there to make a decent car. But this is F1, and in reality he should just buy Lotus and do it that way if he wants to be fighting with anyone other than Caterham and Marussia.

[SteveH]

I thought it was pretty well understood that Haas would be a Dallara-Ferrari combo for the first year but he saying HERE (http://msn.foxsports.com/speed/formula-1/f1-engine-deal-is-next-move-for-haas-team/), that locking down an engine supplier is the first order of business. Given current form, I'd be looking for a way out of Ferrari and into Mercedes.

There have been rumblings recently about Cosworth jumping back in.

Cosworth reveals 2014 F1 power unit (http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/cosworth-reveals-2014-f1-power-unit/)

[Rogue Leader]

There have been rumblings recently about Cosworth jumping back in.

Cosworth reveals 2014 F1 power unit (http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/cosworth-reveals-2014-f1-power-unit/)

Too bad its already behind with the turbo not split like the Mercedes. Although they have plenty of time to change that now, which would be a good idea.

[stroker]

Other than McLaren, anyone else getting a Honda?

[Easy]

Other than McLaren, anyone else getting a Honda?

McLaren has an exclusive supply for at least one year. But we all know what contracts are (or aren't) worth in F1.

[WickerBill]

Huh. I thought engine suppliers were mandated to supply at least two teams on the grid for competitive reasons.

[Easy]

Huh. I thought engine suppliers were mandated to supply at least two teams on the grid for competitive reasons.

They will be compelled to at least offer a customer program by 2017 if not 2016 but there is an exemption for the first year at least. Besides, if they don't do any better than their last effort, no one will want it.

[SteveH]

Honda not planning to supply multiple teams in 2015 (http://richlandf1.com/?p=21653)

[Rogue Leader]

They will be compelled to at least offer a customer program by 2017 if not 2016 but there is an exemption for the first year at least. Besides, if they don't do any better than their last effort, no one will want it.

The engine was the least of that team's problems. Craig Pollock and Jacques Villeneuve on the other hand

[Easy]

The engine was the least of that team's problems. Craig Pollock and Jacques Villeneuve on the other hand

Yeah, what a well funded disaster. I remember JV bitching about the engine (plenty of HP but was too heavy so rear end handling was a mess). Not that he would have volunteered for some extra test days to work on a solution.

I'm sure there will be some Renault and Ferrari customers making phone calls for 2016.

[Pilgrims Drop]

Oh dear god in heaven...

Danica to F1 with Haas? (http://www.crash.net/f1/news/218770/1/danica-patrick-not-ruled-out-of-haas-f1-plans.html)

[gerhard911]

^^^ Link TOTALLY misnamed :flaming:

Not "to F1 with Haas" but "not ruled out". Huge difference.

The only way she's on the team is if they find her a sponsor who funds the entire program. Plus she would need an FIA Superlicense. Don't know but I would hope "racing" in NASCAB & the hapless IRL would not automatically qualify.

[Insomniac]

That would have to be a huge check and I can't imagine would be a good experience for her. It's clear no one in USOWR is up for F1. Has anyone made the jump since Bourdais? He couldn't get it done, da Matta couldn't. JPM was probably the last success.

[cameraman]

Alexander Rossi is spending 2015 driving for Racing Engineering in GP2. In the first two weekends this year he has come in 3rd, 4th and 3rd, 4th. So he is doing reasonably well. He is the only realistic US driver for an F1 ride.

[gerhard911]

Oh dear god in heaven...

Danica to F1 with Haas? (http://www.crash.net/f1/news/218770/1/danica-patrick-not-ruled-out-of-haas-f1-plans.html)

Much better as a question, thanks. No doubt I overreacted a bit but as originally labeled it was what I would expect in the mainstream media, not at OC.

[Pilgrims Drop]

Much better as a question, thanks. No doubt I overreacted a bit but as originally labeled it was what I would expect in the mainstream media, not at OC.

Can I, at least in part, blame the state of chock I was in reading that she was actually being considered??? ;)

[Insomniac]

Some think this is a bad idea.


This is the bizarre thing. The Strategy Group appears to be re-introducing refuelling in a bid to create – to quote the title of the FIA press release – “thrilling races”. Refuelling does not encourage overtaking. It neuters it. Drivers are happy to sit behind the car ahead as they know that they are running with more fuel and will take the position in the pit stops.

Let’s make it quite obvious with two stats:

– Average number of overtakes from 1994-2009: 14.94

– Average number of overtakes from 2010-2014: 48.77

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/15/f1s-return-to-refuelling-one-step-forwards-five-back/

I don't like the time frame for the first data point is 16 years long vs 5 years.

Edit: I put this in the wrong thread, sorry!

[Tifosi24]

Some thing this is a bad idea.



http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/15/f1s-return-to-refuelling-one-step-forwards-five-back/

I don't like the time frame for the first data point is 16 years long vs 5 years.

If I cared, I could run a more in-depth statistical analysis. The 5 year timeframe is enough to create a reasonable conclusion, assuming you account for the right factors. The better analysis is comparing the current regs to a similar period without refueling.

[NismoZ]

Heck, might be fun to watch "2-3 sec. refueling." KAWHOOOSH! Really?:eek: Seems to me the Big Boys are actually TRYING to make F-1 more expensive AND dangerous. Whatever makes it EXCITING?! "Spectacular costs, spectacular aero changes"=spectacular racing? Don't THINK so.:shakehead: (hmmm...maybe the most spectacular aero change would be the banning of wings! Or...just open it the hell UP!. Lexan skirts, movable wings, sucker engines...Jim Hall t-shirts!)

[TedN]

Another potential choice just entered the discussion ....


Romain Grosjean has emerged as a strong late-contender for the Haas team in 2016, amid ongoing uncertainty about the future of his current Lotus outfit.

The Frenchman put in one of the best performances of his career at the Belgian Grand Prix a fortnight ago to deliver a surprise podium finish, and remind people of his speed.

And although he has previously made it clear that he would love to be a part of the new Renault team if it takes over Lotus, the ongoing delays in finalising that deal have left him pondering other options.

Motorsport.com undertands that with no guarantee the Renault takeover of Lotus will happen, Grosjean has been in negotiations with Haas about a switch there for 2016.


Source (http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-emerges-as-strong-contender-for-haas-f1-drive)

Ted

[dando]

Looks like Danicles 'announcement' took the thunder out of signing an American driver at Haas. :gomer:

http://espn.go.com/f1/story/_/id/13621767/haas-f1-unlikely-sign-american-driver-2016