View Full Version : The Foyt Futility Watch -- Milwaukee Edition
"After Indy we all go to Milwaukee" -- PL Newman as Frank Capua in Winning
Besides the usual Futility the ABC Supply/AJ Foyt 225 gives the IRL a chance to destroy yet another tradition and perhaps even an entire racing facility. Tony is taking his hammer to West Allis and might be putting another nail in the coffin for The Mile.
"new" promoter (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40025887.html)
legal issues (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40477187.html)
Methanolandbrats
05-29-09, 03:16 PM
Ya know, I might just go since this is the end of open wheel racing and the mile. So how do I get free tickets? Somebody gave me some last year and I threw them away. Something good might happen....Milkers vs Danicles, PT/Sammich loving each other, Special Ed backing it in at the exit of 2.........Helio sobbing and carrying on,,,,.anybody wanna go?:tony::tony:
Sean Malone
05-29-09, 03:33 PM
Ya know, I might just go since this is the end of open wheel racing and the mile. So how do I get free tickets? Somebody gave me some last year and I threw them away. Something good might happen....Milkers vs Danicles, PT/Sammich loving each other, Special Ed backing it in at the exit of 2.........Helio sobbing and carrying on,,,,.anybody wanna go?:tony::tony:
Check craigs list. You'll find people willing to pay YOU to take them. :)
Ya know, I might just go since this is the end of open wheel racing and the mile. So how do I get free tickets? Somebody gave me some last year and I threw them away. Something good might happen....Milkers vs Danicles, PT/Sammich loving each other, Special Ed backing it in at the exit of 2.........Helio sobbing and carrying on,,,,.anybody wanna go?:tony::tony:
My Marlboro voucher will be unused, but have no way to get it to you.
:camping:
No matter how good a driver steps into a Foytmobile its still a steaming pile set up with a lead mallet.
Rank Car Driver Name C/E/T Time Speed Diff Gap Best Lap Total Laps
1 02 Rahal, Graham D/H/F 00:21.9930 166.144 --.-----.--- 24 55
2 27 Mutoh, Hideki D/H/F 00:22.0325 165.846 0.0395 0.0395 60 63 :eek:
3 9 Dixon, Scott D/H/F 00:22.0726 165.545 0.0796 0.0401 17 59
4 6 Briscoe, Ryan D/H/F 00:22.2943 163.898 0.3013 0.2217 9 77
5 13 Viso, EJ D/H/F 00:22.3104 163.780 0.3174 0.0161 51 54
6 3 Castroneves, Helio D/H/F 00:22.3170 163.732 0.3240 0.0066 17 65
7 11 Kanaan, Tony D/H/F 00:22.3520 163.475 0.3590 0.0350 6 47
8 5 Moraes, Mario D/H/F 00:22.4209 162.973 0.4279 0.0689 8 59
9 10 Franchitti, Dario D/H/F 00:22.4701 162.616 0.4771 0.0492 16 51
10 18 Wilson, Justin D/H/F 00:22.6633 161.230 0.6703 0.1932 43 48
11 24 Conway, Mike (R) D/H/F 00:22.6976 160.986 0.7046 0.0343 35 72
12 06 Doornbos, Robert (R) D/H/F 00:22.7068 160.921 0.7138 0.0092 75 78
13 26 Andretti, Marco D/H/F 00:22.7223 160.811 0.7293 0.0155 23 46
14 2 Matos, Raphael (R) D/H/F 00:22.7595 160.548 0.7665 0.0372 44 58
15 7 Patrick, Danica D/H/F 00:22.7764 160.429 0.7834 0.0169 16 58
16 21 Hunter-Reay, Ryan D/H/F 00:22.9613 159.137 0.9683 0.1849 19 42
17 14 Tracy, Paul D/H/F 00:23.2302 157.295 1.2372 0.2689 15 40
18 20 Carpenter, Ed D/H/F 00:23.2882 156.903 1.2952 0.0580 52 62
19 4 Wheldon, Dan D/H/F 00:23.6597 154.440 1.6667 0.3715 11 14
20 98 Barrett, Stanton (R) D/H/F 00:24.9989 146.166 3.0059 1.3392 19 19 ••
•• Stanton Barrett is just slow. Milk and Donuts slow. Maybe he thinks he'll look faster with some post production work on the footage?
Sheckter's car apparently never left the pits.
Methanolandbrats
05-30-09, 04:14 PM
I watched some practice on the puter this morning, I changed my mind, I would't go with free tickets, I would'nt go if they paid me to go. :yuck:
THere is nobody there........nobody along the wall between 1 and the exit of 2. No cars in the infield, maybe 50 spectators between 4 and 1.......more crew than fans in the paddock.......even in the Champ Car days there were people at practice...no way this event survives.
ABC Supply Co/AJ Foyt 225 – Qualifying times
1. Ryan Briscoe Penske 1m 26.7966 168.394mph
2. Graham Rahal NHLR 1m 26.9392 168.117mph
3. Tony Kanaan AGR 1m 27.1073 167.793mph
4. Scott Dixon Ganassi 1m 27.4746 167.089mph
5. Mario Moraes KVRT 1m 27.6306 166.791mph
6. Hideki Mutoh AGR 1m 27.9743 166.139mph
7. Danica Patrick AGR 1m 28.4915 165.168mph
8. Dario Franchitti Ganassi 1m 28.7401s 164.706mph
9. Raphael Matos Luczo Dragon 1m 28.7590 164.671mph
10. Tomas Scheckter Dreyer & Reinbold 1m 29.4984 163.310mph
11. Mike Conway Dreyer & Reinbold 1m 30.1181 162.187mph
12. Robert Doornbos NHLR 1m 30.4135 161.657mph
13. Marco Andretti AGR 1m 30.4842 161.531mph
14. Dan Wheldon Panther 1m 30.5391 161.433mph
15. Justin Wilson Dale Coyne 1m 30.5512 161.411mph
16. Paul Tracy Foyt 1m 30.8964 160.798mph
17. EJ Viso HVM 1m 30.9274 160.744mph
18. Ryan Hunter-Reay Vision 1m 31.1328 160.381mph
19. Ed Carpenter Vision 1m 31.3052 160.079mph
Dnq Helio Castroneves Penske no time no speed [wallio'd it in quals]
Wdn Stanton Barrett 3G no time no speed [hard wall hit in practice]
DagoFast
05-30-09, 07:42 PM
18. Ryan Hunter-Reay Vision 1m 31.1328 160.381mph
19. Ed Carpenter Vision 1m 31.3052 160.079mph
Their new budget of running on lost change found under the grandstands at mindy seems to be working already! :thumbup:
As I was watching my sons soccer game today.....mid 70's, Sunny, light breeze.....I said to my wife "What a perfect day to be in Turn 3 at the Mile"
She said "Did you want to go ? Oh that's right, those are the crappy cars now - nevermind"
Gotta love her.
Michaelhatesfans
05-31-09, 11:38 AM
As I was watching my sons soccer game today.....mid 70's, Sunny, light breeze.....I said to my wife "What a perfect day to be in Turn 3 at the Mile"
She said "Did you want to go ? Oh that's right, those are the crappy cars now - nevermind"
Gotta love her.
Buy her something nice.:)
Crowd looked good. They must have had a great promotion.
$3 tickets.
They'll make up for it in volume. :tony:
Hopefully they sold lots of food and drinks. I'd hate to see this track in trouble.
When I tuned in around lap 190 for a sample I got the cross-dressing Godaddy.com spot as my first awful eyeful. I got a repeat of it after what turned out to be the final pitstops for most of the cars.
From the 35 laps or so I had on in the background it was all single file and pretty widely spaced out at that. Backmarkers could be easily passed but among the front runners it seemed very difficult and probably only possible if the car in front lost momentum. High downforce and underpowered. This is pathetic compared to the last two CART races I went to there in 1999 and 2K.
The main grandstand looked sparsely populated in the few quick oblique angle peeks at it the producer allowed, but the better seats (the ones I always tried to get) in Turn 1 looked somewhat better.
Complete results will appear when they are available from the series site. In the mean time:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3619/3569956463_d15f954128.jpg
The Milwaukee Mile Race Results
Race Date: Sun, 31 May 2009
1 Scott Dixon Target Chip Ganassi Racing 9 D/H/F 4 167.089 225 2 27 Running
2 Ryan Briscoe Team Penske 6 D/H/F 1 168.394 225 2 154 Running
3 Dario Franchitti TOM TOM 10 D/H/F 8 164.706 225 1 19 Running
4 Graham Rahal McDonald's Racing Team 02 D/H/F 2 168.117 225 0 0 Running
5 Danica Patrick Boost Mobile/Motorola 7 D/H/F 7 165.168 225 0 0 Running
6 Raphael Matos US Marines Luczo Dragon Racing 2 D/H/F 9 164.671 225 0 0 Running
7 Marco Andretti Team Venom Energy 26 D/H/F 13 161.531 225 0 0 Running
8 Hideki Mutoh Formula Dream 27 D/H/F 6 166.139 224 0 0 Running
9 Mario Moraes KV Racing Technology/Votorantim 5 D/H/F 5 166.791 224 0 0 Running
10 Dan Wheldon National Guard Panther Racing 4 D/H/F 14 161.433 224 0 0 Running
11 Helio Castroneves Team Penske 3 D/H/F 20 0.000 222 0 0 Running
12 Ryan Hunter-Reay IZOD/WilliamRast/Vision Racing 21 D/H/F 18 160.381 222 0 0 Running
13 Tomas Scheckter Charter/Dreyer & Reinbold Racing 23 D/H/F 10 163.310 222 0 0 Running
14 Robert Doornbos Newman/Haas/Lanigan Racing 06 D/H/F 12 161.657 220 0 0 Running
15 Justin Wilson Z-Line Designs 18 D/H/F 15 161.411 219 0 0 Running
16 Ed Carpenter Menards/Vision Racing 20 D/H/F 19 160.079 219 0 0 Running
17 Paul Tracy ABC Supply Co. AJ Foyt Racing 14 D/H/F 16 160.798 219 0 0 Running
18 E.J. Viso PDVSA HVM Racing 13 D/H/F 17 160.744 175 0 0 Mechanical 12
19 Tony Kanaan Team 7-Eleven 11 D/H/F 3 167.793 132 1 25 Mechanical 12
20 Mike Conway Roll Coater Dreyer & Reinbold Racing 24 D/H/F 11 162.187 55 0 0 Contact 12
21 Stanton Barrett CURB/Agajanian/Team 3G 98 D/H/F 21 0.000 0 0 0 DNS 12
That photo is just so wrong. :yuck:
That is soooooooooooo wrong.
Don Quixote
05-31-09, 06:49 PM
I wonder what his screen name is at TF. :rofl:
TKGAngel
05-31-09, 07:27 PM
Ugh. That photo needs to go on thingsthatarewrong.com
If Kanaan is that sore after driving Milwaukee, what is he going to be like after driving Texas next week?
I would love to know whether PT or AJ was hollering more on the radio. PT never made it past 15th or so the whole day.
Wasn't he like 6 laps down?
Wasn't he like 6 laps down?
Yes. The Foytmobile can be just that bad.
doppelganger
05-31-09, 09:18 PM
$3 tickets.
They'll make up for it in volume. :tony:
I really hope you're joking. If not...:shakehead.
Regardless, a great track, lost.
As far as the stands...did they block off certain sections to fans as in the past?
Michaelhatesfans
06-01-09, 11:38 AM
Crowd looked good. They must have had a great promotion.
Sad what we've come to accept as being a good crowd.
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/indycar/2009/mil/indycar-2009-mil-as-0150.jpg
Michaelhatesfans
06-01-09, 11:42 AM
Obligatory Red Hat photo...
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/indycar/2009/mil/indycar-2009-mil-as-0153.jpg
Wheel-Nut
06-01-09, 12:27 PM
Yes. The Foytmobile can be just that bad.
I read the team forgot the setup notes at home. :laugh: A new dimension to the futility.
Methanolandbrats
06-01-09, 12:34 PM
I read the team forgot the setup notes at home. :laugh: A new dimension to the futility. Probably scribbled on a legal pad with a crayon...........shoulda put them on multiple laptops. :D
datachicane
06-01-09, 12:36 PM
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_2Yptu8g36aI/SiQDIWjM4MI/AAAAAAAACBA/taoOmx8gSAk/s800/foyt.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_2Yptu8g36aI/SiQDIWjM4MI/AAAAAAAACBA/taoOmx8gSAk/s800/foyt.jpg
:rofl:
Sad what we've come to accept as being a good crowd.
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/indycar/2009/mil/indycar-2009-mil-as-0150.jpg
I didn't say they sold the place out. But they had a good size crowd. Must have been the $3 tickets.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_2Yptu8g36aI/SiQDIWjM4MI/AAAAAAAACBA/taoOmx8gSAk/s800/foyt.jpg
Tracy'c s blog at Racer (http://www.racer.com/2009/05/paul-tracys-blog-may-31-another-terrible-day%E2%80%A6but-i-think-ill-fight-for-foyt/) :
Holy crap: That was a disaster almost from the get-go. I’m pretty sure I’ve never worked so hard to finish six laps down. That No. 14 car was so out of whack, looser than any racecar I’ve driven. Yesterday we changed everything on the car and today it went back to handling like a fish in acid.
I feel so, so bad for A.J. Foyt. Sure, it was a crappy race for me, and the car was horrible to handle, but it was still worse for him. A.J.’s name was on the race, his sponsor ABC Supply are local and so we had 800 guests there, and we just looked like jackasses. The setup was just no good: we had way too much front aero on the car. We had to take six turns of front wing out in the first stop! It was OK for the first six to eight laps, and I think I’d jumped up to 12th on that opening lap, so I thought, “OK, we’ll hang onto this for a while, steer clear of trouble up ahead, and then start charging again.”
But then the car went looser and looser, and I had no adjustment. The weight-jacker they have in the car only works to the left, to take away understeer. Huh! If only. So there was nothing I could do, and I was full stiff on the front bar already, and so I had no options left to play with and we sank like a rock. So it got worse and worse, and I was just hanging on to bring the car home, trying not to do a Mike Conway. I was just praying for yellows so we could pit and make some adjustments, but there were hardly any, until Con-weasel did his usual thing.
By the time we got to the first stop, and took that front wing out, we were already three or four laps down, so thereafter we were just keeping out of people’s way. Remember yesterday’s blog I said that our last two laps were good, and that we’d got the car to where we should have been at the start of the day? Well, I look at today’s race as us paying the price for being a day behind. We hadn’t done any running on heavy fuel or in traffic pre-race, not when the car was handling properly, anyway.
P.T. back on the track where he scored his last oval win in 2005. Photo:
P.T. back on the track where he scored his last oval win in 2005. Photo: Phil Abbott/LAT
A.J. came on the radio about five times to apologize for the car they’d given me, and I just said, “Look, let’s get it to the finish and hopefully there’ll be wrecks or whatever, and we’ll get 12th or something.” But there weren’t.
If I’m going to be hard on myself, I’d say my contribution to the problem was not knowing enough about these cars. That was only my third race in a Dallara-Honda, so I’m going by what the team gives me, and doing what they want me to do. I don’t have a lot of input. Maybe we didn’t change the car enough from qualifying: we lifted the ride heights, and put a stiffer front end on it. But whatever it was, it wasn’t enough.
By the end of the race, we’d got it to where the car was okay if I was running on my own, but if I got close to any other cars, it was going loose again. I don’t think we had a soft enough rear spring, and I think we had too much front wing in it.
I can’t recall the last time I was even lapped once at the Milwaukee Mile. I’ve won there four times, led 700 and something laps there. But today, it started out well and then unraveled in a hurry.
So the big decision now is, do we keep going? I told A.J. that I’d think about it overnight, but I think I’ll probably give it a shot. For one thing, next weekend’s race is Texas, so it’s his home track. And I also need to keep in good race shape for the two Canadian races with KV Racing. I don’t want the bumps and bruises and sore neck that goes with not driving for ages and then getting back in a car months later, straight off the couch. I want to be in race shape, and the only way to be in race shape is by driving.
With engineer Adam Schaechter and The Man. Photo: Dan R. Boyd/LAT
With engineer Adam Schaechter and The Man. Photo: Dan R. Boyd/LAT
On the other hand, I don’t want to do what we just did. Texas Motor Speedway is not somewhere that you want a bad-handling car. To be fair to the team, they said that in the past, Milwaukee had been one of their worst tracks, and TMS is one of their better ones, but I think I’m gonna check those numbers myself… No, seriously, I think they’ve won there a couple of times, and they’ve always qualified well there.
So I’ll talk it through with Patty, my wife. But as I’m writing this in the airport, waiting to get on the plane, I’m leaning toward carrying on with A.J. I seriously want to learn more about these cars so I can show my best game again.
The good thing about my day? Knowing the guy delivering my Lincoln will have it in Vegas for me by the time my plane lands, so I can pull it off the trailer and drive home to see my wife. Hope she’s impressed with it.
I’ll get back to you next week, probably. And thanks for the feedback on these blogs. Appreciate it (yeah, even the haters).
P.T.
And that is a man with a dilemma.
Wonder what he is getting paid to drive a s@#twagon on a per race basis
Methanolandbrats
06-01-09, 11:23 PM
A loose *****ox at Texas should be fun.:eek:
Napoleon
06-02-09, 06:35 AM
Tracy was driving for AJ at Milwaukee, seriously?
Tracy was driving for AJ at Milwaukee, seriously?
Unfortunately, yes.
Wheel-Nut
06-02-09, 09:11 AM
A loose *****ox at Texas should be fun.:eek:
Texas is the one place Foyt does respectable. I think the team even has a win there. I'll have to check with Arie. :laugh:
Texas is the one place Foyt does respectable. I think the team even has a win there. I'll have to check with Arie. :laugh:
youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWOYZlswiE)
I was given a tape of that race to watch since I was convalescing from two broken legs and bored out of my gourd. I could have sworn Luyendijk had lapped the entire field and USAC T&S missed it. Arie definitely knew that he had won.
youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWOYZlswiE)
I was given a tape of that race to watch since I was convalescing from two broken legs and bored out of my gourd. I could have sworn Luyendijk had lapped the entire field and USAC T&S missed it. Arie definitely knew that he had won.
It ain't over until the fat man swings. Classic. :rofl:
-Kevin
Sean Malone
06-02-09, 10:27 AM
I hate to say it...but it's kinda interesting actually. :(
TKGAngel
06-02-09, 10:52 AM
At least PT's blog entries on racer.com have been entertaining.
indyfan31
06-02-09, 10:53 AM
I hate to say it...but it's kinda interesting actually. :(
If we could get PTs "live" commentary during the race that MIGHT make it interesting enough to watch.
Don Quixote
06-02-09, 11:32 AM
The IRL wave of popularity grows to tsunami size, 0.6 on network TV. The people have spoken. :shakehead http://www.usatoday.com/sports/weekend-tv-ratings.htm
Save a click. Here it is:
IndyCar series Sunday, 3:30 0.6 (462,000) ABC
The comparison: Down 25% from last year.
The spin on the spin: The Indy Racing League's Milwaukee Mile, in a late Sunday afternoon slot on a broadcast network, winds up with a lower rating than six weekend NCAA women's softball tournament games on ESPN.
NASCAR: Autism Speaks 500 Sunday, 2:15 3.8 (2.9 million) Fox
The comparison: Down 7% from last year.
The spin on the spin: Fox, with ratings down 13% heading into weekend, ends its NASCAR season. Now it's TNT's turn to try to turn around ratings.
Tennis: French Open Sunday, 1:30 1.3 (1 million) NBC
The comparison: Up 30% from last year.
The spin on the spin: The upset of defending champ Rafael Nadal draws what passes for a ratings pop for the French Open an extra 0.3 of 1% of TV households. C'est la vie.
The IRL wave of popularity grows to tsunami size, 0.6 on network TV. The people have spoken. :shakehead http://www.usatoday.com/sports/weekend-tv-ratings.htm
The spin on the spin: The Indy Racing League's Milwaukee Mile, in a late Sunday afternoon slot on a broadcast network, winds up with a lower rating than six weekend NCAA women's softball tournament games on ESPN.
:laugh: :saywhat: :eek:
-Kevin
Michaelhatesfans
06-02-09, 12:13 PM
The IRL wave of popularity grows to tsunami size, 0.6 on network TV. The people have spoken. :shakehead http://www.usatoday.com/sports/weekend-tv-ratings.htm
Why can I picture Tony's sisters underneath his car cutting his brake lines?
Don Quixote
06-02-09, 12:23 PM
Gomer spin: I watched the race and enjoyed it. :gomer: :tony:
JohnHKart
06-02-09, 01:14 PM
Game over for the Futility and PT:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75782
Wheel-Nut
06-02-09, 01:44 PM
WTF is Foyt thinking? PT can help the team get better, IV just drives.
Reminds of the time when I was in college. One summer I was working on a landscaping crew. I was replaced by an illegal from Mexico. :saywhat:
Don Quixote
06-02-09, 01:46 PM
Why can I picture Tony's sisters underneath his car cutting his brake lines? But I thought somebody stole his car. :D
extramundane
06-02-09, 02:02 PM
PT can help the team get better,
I'm not sure anyone can help that team get better, at least until there's nobody named "Foyt" running things.
JohnHKart
06-02-09, 02:14 PM
"I wanted to run with an engineer, he didn't"
Eddie Cheever, after his futility split, 1995
TKGAngel
06-02-09, 02:37 PM
Ok, so we move on from watching PT drive for Foyt to Danica trying to extract foot from mouth regarding her comments about taking PEDs.
:shakehead The Champions League final did 1.9 million viewers on ESPN & ESPN Deportes. That was midweek and midday.
One summer I was working on a landscaping crew. I was replaced by an illegal from Mexico. :saywhat:
Just like a Mexican illegal, AJIV works a lot cheaper.
oddlycalm
06-04-09, 03:10 PM
I'm not sure anyone can help that team get better, at least until there's nobody named "Foyt" running things.
Yeah, as long as sammich is in charge futility is alive. :laugh:
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