View Full Version : The founder of TV station to portray Muslims in more positive light beheads wife
SurfaceUnits
02-16-09, 11:58 PM
Prominent Orchard Park man charged with beheading his wife
By Gene Warner
News Staff Reporter
Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday.
Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.
http://www.buffalonews.com/437/story/578644.html
Is there a more humane way to kill ones wife?
stroker
02-17-09, 09:36 AM
Don't hold your breath waiting for SNL's take on this.
Insomniac
02-17-09, 01:09 PM
Been discussing it a little bit in another thread: http://www.offcamber.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15396#post250981
coolhand
02-17-09, 08:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr-A0Rni3H8&eurl=http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/generalities/us_muslim_tv_founder_charged_with_beheading_wife_p rofiled_in_04_by_nbc_108854&feature=player_embedded
Here he is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr-A0Rni3H8&eurl=http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/generalities/us_muslim_tv_founder_charged_with_beheading_wife_p rofiled_in_04_by_nbc_108854&feature=player_embedded
Here he is
The wife and kids too.
Kind of sad that this happened almost a week ago and now it's suddenly national headlines with an emphasis on the Muslim angle. No news from the plane crash today I guess. :/
SurfaceUnits
02-18-09, 12:23 AM
yeah, one would expect the followers of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Monks to do the beheading bit. :rolleyes:
Methanolandbrats
02-18-09, 12:52 AM
The irony is that POS will be subject to American Law. That means it will cost 100s of thousands of dollars to keep him in prison for life when a bullet in the head would cost less than a buck. :mad:
extramundane
02-18-09, 09:50 AM
Kind of sad that this happened almost a week ago and now it's suddenly national headlines with an emphasis on the Muslim angle. No news from the plane crash today I guess. :/
American Journalism 101. Thousands of jobs are gone, financial institutions are crumbling, 2 automakers are on the verge of bankruptcy, the much-touted economic stimulus probably won't stimulate anything except Congressional rhetoric, but HEY, LOOK! Scary minorities!
Tune in next week when Bill O'Reilly accuses Mars of being Communist.
TKGAngel
02-18-09, 10:20 AM
Kind of sad that this happened almost a week ago and now it's suddenly national headlines with an emphasis on the Muslim angle. No news from the plane crash today I guess. :/
This isn't getting a lot of play on the local TV news, either. After the 15 minutes of crash coverage (now moving on to nothing more than victim profiles), the next story was about the Bills running back being arrested for allegedly carrying a concealed weapon and allegedly being high as a kite at the time.
Glad to see priorities are in order. :rolleyes:
Andrew Longman
02-18-09, 10:48 AM
Given that the flight originated in Newark, had a 9/11 widow on board, along with at least 14 other passengers with Jersey connections the crash is still front page (below the fold) news hers.
Beheading psycho husband is in the back of the first section.
Don't know about local TV news. I don't watch it.
The irony is that POS will be subject to American Law. That means it will cost 100s of thousands of dollars to keep him in prison for life when a bullet in the head would cost less than a buck. :mad:
And they say there's no irony on the Internet.
The irony is that POS will be subject to American Law. That means it will cost 100s of thousands of dollars to keep him in prison for life when a bullet in the head would cost less than a buck. :mad:
Not sure about that. I wouldn't be surprised if some of his prison mates enacted a special form of term limit on him. Sort of like they did with Jeffrey Dahmer.
TrueBrit
02-19-09, 02:48 PM
Tune in next week when Bill O'Reilly accuses Mars of being Communist.
Well, you think it's red by accident??
PLUS...I have it on good authority that they say 'Happy Holidays' and not 'Merry Christmas' as well...
;):laugh:
***** shoulda shut up.
but, yea, I don't understand how people emigrate halfway across the world to these lands only to hold on to ass backwards tribal institutions like that. conservatism and saving face for the family is a whole 'nother world from this kind of violence.
coolhand
02-20-09, 09:30 PM
American Journalism 101. Thousands of jobs are gone, financial institutions are crumbling, 2 automakers are on the verge of bankruptcy, the much-touted economic stimulus probably won't stimulate anything except Congressional rhetoric, but HEY, LOOK! Scary minorities!
Tune in next week when Bill O'Reilly accuses Mars of being Communist.
I am sure you say the same thing about those videos about "attacks on Muslim looking people" post 9/11. Are those just a distraction also?
SurfaceUnits
02-20-09, 11:48 PM
American Journalism 101. Thousands of jobs are gone, financial institutions are crumbling, 2 automakers are on the verge of bankruptcy, the much-touted economic stimulus probably won't stimulate anything except Congressional rhetoric, but HEY, LOOK! Scary minorities!
Tune in next week when Bill O'Reilly accuses Mars of being Communist.
scary to know beheadings are common day occurrences in your life
extramundane
02-21-09, 12:12 AM
scary to know beheadings are common day occurrences in your life
Whatever. If it was Jimmy and Marge down at the trailer park, it wouldn't be a story outside the Buffalo metro area.
coolhand
02-21-09, 02:55 AM
Whatever. If it was Jimmy and Marge down at the trailer park, it wouldn't be a story outside the Buffalo metro area.
Uhh, no. I am sure it would be on all the tabloid type news shows. Also Jimmy and Marge did not start a TV station saying they were different than the other head chopping trailer parkers, oh wait, that is not part of trailer park culture.
eiregosod
02-21-09, 08:49 AM
American Journalism 101. Thousands of jobs are gone, financial institutions are crumbling, 2 automakers are on the verge of bankruptcy, the much-touted economic stimulus probably won't stimulate anything except Congressional rhetoric, but HEY, LOOK! Scary minorities!
Tune in next week when Bill O'Reilly accuses Mars of being Communist.
Its the typical adult response to severe economic collapse.
TKGAngel
02-21-09, 10:23 AM
The morning paper is reporting that the woman was stabbed several times with a hunting knife. They don't know whether she was beheaded before or after death, however.
The morning paper is reporting that the woman was stabbed several times with a hunting knife. They don't know whether she was beheaded before or after death, however.
Now that's the American way. :thumbup:
extramundane
02-21-09, 03:38 PM
Uhh, no. I am sure it would be on all the tabloid type news shows.
How many tabloid shows covered the VT student who beheaded his girlfriend in the student commons last month?
But it's working: we're already spending more energy on a domestic violence case that should be directed towards the slightly bigger issues that affect ALL of us.
^ :eek:
WTF is up at VA Tech?
Virginia Tech murder (http://phibetacons.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmFhYjk3ZDdjZTQ3MTk3NzhjMTgwY2UwYTRjOGQwMDA=)
SurfaceUnits
02-21-09, 08:54 PM
another trailer trash murican nascar fan
coolhand
02-21-09, 11:52 PM
^ :eek:
WTF is up at VA Tech?
Virginia Tech murder (http://phibetacons.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmFhYjk3ZDdjZTQ3MTk3NzhjMTgwY2UwYTRjOGQwMDA=)
Looks like another scary minority head chopper to me.
I want to see a link of a WASP trailer park couple who did this
This probably doesn't count because it wasn't a beheading and I'm not sure exactly how he actually killed her, but I remember this case from when I was a child. Wood Chipper Murder (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE3D7123BF93AA35752C0A9669582 60)
Wasn't Adam Walsh's head chopped off? But I suppose that doesn't count because he wasn't a wife.
Looks like another scary minority head chopper to me.
I want to see a link of a WASP trailer park couple who did this
Minority or not, that's the second crazy person losing it on the VA Tech campus in two years. That's hella scary.
They chop off their wives heads, we shoot wives. It's only just a cultural difference based on cultural values. They do things the old way which is more barbaric and we do things the "sanitized" way.
Methanolandbrats
02-22-09, 04:44 PM
They chop off their wives heads, we shoot wives. It's only just a cultural difference based on cultural values. They do things the old way which is more barbaric and we do things the "sanitized" way. Women kill their husbands with prolonged, slow torture. :gomer:
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extramundane
02-24-09, 02:51 PM
Looks like another scary minority head chopper to me.
Wait, so Asians are still scary?
Can you please provide me with a conversion chart as to which races and ethnicities are scary and which ones aren't? Since I'm part Native American, I'm curious whether I'm partially scary and if the scariness is relative to the amount of NA blood or if it's a constant scary factor.
WTF is up at VA Tech?
Go spend a winter or 4 there. 'Course, I only wanted to kill myself, so I guess that's the whitey in me coming out.
SurfaceUnits
02-24-09, 03:13 PM
Maybe we can get Adolf Hitler and his fam to move into to your neighborhood along with these fellows:
http://indybooks.net/images/clip_image001.jpg
Palestinians drag the body of a suspected collaborator along
a street in Hebron, West Bank.
And yes you would be scary because there are no native americans; you are a descendant of early Asian immigrants
Looks like another scary minority head chopper to me.
I want to see a link of a WASP trailer park couple who did this
Lots of press about Jean Marie Geis shooting her two children to get back at filandering husband: http://cbs11tv.com/local/Jeanmarie.Tolle.Geis.2.934085.html
oh wait, not so much...
story had everything, suicide-murder, filanderer, domestic violence, fake 911 calls about fake robberies to coverup domestic abuse (note the plural nouns). filandering husband playing the part of shady business partner in many high profile business ventures around town. Jerry Springer quality, but no trailer park, just one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in town. More like Nancy Grace's next Duke Lacrosse.
It sounds like she was insane to me.
extramundane
02-25-09, 09:34 AM
Maybe we can get Adolf Hitler and his fam to move into to your neighborhood
I live in Virginia. As a general rule, there's an Adolf Hitler wannabe not too far away at all times.
And yes you would be scary because there are no native americans; you are a descendant of early Asian immigrants
If we're going to go that far back into lineage, then we're all from the same family tree at some point. Have fun at the next reunion.
Is there some competition going on I don't know about? :(
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96MO7IO2&show_article=1
I read about that a a week ago during my search for a "WASP trailer park couple". Li sounds like an Asian name, I think.
Methanolandbrats
03-03-09, 11:17 PM
Is there some competition going on I don't know about? :(
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96MO7IO2&show_article=1
Yet another reason to avoid mass transit at all costs :gomer: Private transportation rules.....f'n hippies and greenies can stuff their trains and car pools up their butts.
Is there some competition going on I don't know about? :(
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96MO7IO2&show_article=1
Wonder what PETA would have to say about this...
welcome to last August :) (http://www.offcamber.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14905)
At the time, I thought you were warning the Canadians because of their acute sensitivity to PETA's anti bacon policy. But now...:mad:
Is there some competition going on I don't know about? :(
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96MO7IO2&show_article=1
You'll be happy to know he's not responsible. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090305/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_beheading
Methanolandbrats
03-05-09, 09:56 PM
You'll be happy to know he's not responsible. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090305/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_beheading Guys like this should be killed. I don't give a **** if he has a mental "disorder". He ain't gonna get better and there is a small chance he could escape and do it again.
Guys like this should be killed. I don't give a **** if he has a mental "disorder". He ain't gonna get better and there is a small chance he could escape and do it again.
I agree, for now.
Looks like another scary minority head chopper to me.
I want to see a link of a WASP trailer park couple who did this
Check in Fairfield, OH circa 1990. Okay, it was in a low buck apartment complex, but the folks who lived in that area probably just moved up to a place to live that wasn't on cinder blocks for the first time in their lives. It was only about a five minute walk down the hill from the more upscale complex I was shacked up in at the time...
TKGAngel
03-13-09, 11:25 AM
Mr. Hassan pleaded not guilty (http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/606623.html) to killing his wife this morning. Defense attorney is going to be asking for bail.
Mr. Hassan pleaded not guilty (http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/606623.html) to killing his wife this morning. Defense attorney is going to be asking for bail.
So what? Her head just kind of... came off? :\
I can see the defense forming now. Some kind of conspiracy theory involving either terrorists or racists. Seems like way too much of a flight risk to me. What does the court think this guy is going to care about being tried in absentia if he runs back to Pakistan?
He needs to post bail so he can begin the search for the one armed man.
Insomniac
03-17-09, 12:49 PM
So what? Her head just kind of... came off? :\
I can see the defense forming now. Some kind of conspiracy theory involving either terrorists or racists. Seems like way too much of a flight risk to me. What does the court think this guy is going to care about being tried in absentia if he runs back to Pakistan?
This would mess up the whole justice system, but it would be nice if they made defendants pay court costs (up front) and refund them if they're found not-guilty in open and shut cases when they can be settled in the D.A.'s office.
This would mess up the whole justice system, but it would be nice if they made defendants pay court costs (up front) and refund them if they're found not-guilty in open and shut cases when they can be settled in the D.A.'s office.
who decides what's an open and shut case? no thank you.
datachicane
03-17-09, 04:43 PM
who decides what's an open and shut case? no thank you.
Apparently the idea of 'innocent until proven guilty' only applies when it's convenient and cost effective.
Heck, why even bother with a trial at all, since we all know he did it? Why not hang him first, and then give him a fair trial? :saywhat:
http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2009/02/pitchfork_9e297.jpg
Insomniac
03-18-09, 03:13 PM
who decides what's an open and shut case? no thank you.
That's why I said it would mess up the whole justice system. It would place an unfair burden on those who couldn't afford to pay court costs. I'm just saying way too much stuff goes to trial that really shouldn't. I can't think of a way to avoid it though, unfortunately. You'd have to incentivize it for one side, but then you'd be weighting the scales to a certain outcome.
Andrew Longman
03-18-09, 03:47 PM
I can't think of a way to avoid it though, unfortunately.
It's called plea bargaining. When you are really guilty you are often given the chance to plea down and avoid a trial in exchange for a shorter sentence.
Insomniac
03-18-09, 04:40 PM
It's called plea bargaining. When you are really guilty you are often given the chance to plea down and avoid a trial in exchange for a shorter sentence.
I know about that. But (and I get this from someone who works in a large DA's office, so assume there is some bias on whether the person is guilty or not) there is a quite high number of people in what they believe to be cases that are clear-cut that will not plea. They'd rather take their chances on reasonable doubt (their right). This is especially true of people who can afford good representation. And it's these trials that are often drawn out and consume the most resources. If they end up being high profile as well, then that's even more resources.
datachicane
03-18-09, 04:56 PM
They'd rather take their chances on reasonable doubt (their right). This is especially true of people who can afford good representation. And it's these trials that are often drawn out and consume the most resources. If they end up being high profile as well, then that's even more resources.
And what if those trials are expensive?
What's a free society worth?
Sometimes the conclusion everybody knows is true turns out to be false. Sometimes even scumbags, lowlifes, and Texans are wrongly arrested (and even convicted, for that matter). That's why we have trials. That's why we have the presumption of innocence.
You want cheap, speedy, and efficient? There's plenty of authoritarian regimes around the world who'd be happy to accommodate.
cameraman
03-18-09, 05:09 PM
The flip side to that is if you reject the plea bargain and go to trial and are found guilty, well, your sentence is going to be far, far harsher. If you are in federal court it is an especially bad idea because there are mandatory minimums and no parole.
A good example would be a local self-styled DJ and family man (also a gang member & drug dealer but we won't go there...) who, against the strongly worded advice of his attorney, turned down an 18-year plea bargain for a multi-count drug-dealing with weapons indictment. Sure, he ended up being found not guilty on a couple of the charges but he was found guilty on the majority and as they were gun-enhanced drug charges he was sentenced to the congressionally mandated minimum sentence of 56 years with no parole. If he had been found guilty on all the charges it would have been 136 years.
By turning down the plea bargain he managed to turn an 18 year sentence into a 56 year sentence. An extra 38 years is quite the penalty.
So sure you can go to trial if you want but if you lose you will get smacked hard.
Andrew Longman
03-18-09, 06:09 PM
I know about that.
I figured you did. ;)
We could always label them as enemy combatants and render them to Jordon
Runs
The police don't arrest innocent people. :gomer:
Insomniac
03-18-09, 07:55 PM
And what if those trials are expensive?
What's a free society worth?
Sometimes the conclusion everybody knows is true turns out to be false. Sometimes even scumbags, lowlifes, and Texans are wrongly arrested (and even convicted, for that matter). That's why we have trials. That's why we have the presumption of innocence.
You want cheap, speedy, and efficient? There's plenty of authoritarian regimes around the world who'd be happy to accommodate.
Define free? Why don't the poor get to hire those lawyers? They have PDs who are more likely to plea bargain instead. And what are the consequences? Well, DA offices don't have unlimited budgets or man power. If they have to spend a lot of time on one trial, it may affect another.
Also, I never said anything about innocent until proven guilty, the right to a fair trial, the ability to simply convict someone or a desire to have an unfair justice system. I am not saying you believe I did, but you are arguing about things that I don't disagree with. They are all important, and I'm happy to have them. I was just stating a likely impossible wish that time not be wasted on open and shut trials based on facts. That those should be settled.
Insomniac
03-18-09, 07:57 PM
The flip side to that is if you reject the plea bargain and go to trial and are found guilty, well, your sentence is going to be far, far harsher. If you are in federal court it is an especially bad idea because there are mandatory minimums and no parole.
A good example would be a local self-styled DJ and family man (also a gang member & drug dealer but we won't go there...) who, against the strongly worded advice of his attorney, turned down an 18-year plea bargain for a multi-count drug-dealing with weapons indictment. Sure, he ended up being found not guilty on a couple of the charges but he was found guilty on the majority and as they were gun-enhanced drug charges he was sentenced to the congressionally mandated minimum sentence of 56 years with no parole. If he had been found guilty on all the charges it would have been 136 years.
By turning down the plea bargain he managed to turn an 18 year sentence into a 56 year sentence. An extra 38 years is quite the penalty.
So sure you can go to trial if you want but if you lose you will get smacked hard.
I think the flip side to that is sometimes you can't really offer lower charges in exchange for the plea when you have to consider the victims and the crime committed. Then the defendant might as well plead not guilty.
datachicane
03-18-09, 08:19 PM
Define free? Why don't the poor get to hire those lawyers? They have PDs who are more likely to plea bargain instead. And what are the consequences? Well, DA offices don't have unlimited budgets or man power. If they have to spend a lot of time on one trial, it may affect another.
Agreed- PDs, for the most part, are ridiculously underresourced. Unfortunately, we as a culture aren't real keen on spending our limited resources on poor folks- heck, you're likely to get labeled a socialist for even talking that way. Not to pick on DAs, but they should have to spend a lot of time on one trial- after all, the burden of proof is on them.
Also, I never said anything about innocent until proven guilty, the right to a fair trial, the ability to simply convict someone or a desire to have an unfair justice system. I am not saying you believe I did, but you are arguing about things that I don't disagree with. They are all important, and I'm happy to have them. I was just stating a likely impossible wish that time not be wasted on open and shut trials based on facts. That those should be settled.
I'm not trying to pick on you, but the idea that you can even identify what is or is not an 'open and shut' case before trial is a direct contradiction to the presumption of innocence. Whatever mechanism you use to determine which cases meet that criteria will effectively determine guilt prior to the actual conviction. I suspect that that wasn't your intention, and while I share your distaste for the waste in our current system, it seems a small price to pay.
Insomniac
03-19-09, 11:24 AM
Agreed- PDs, for the most part, are ridiculously underresourced. Unfortunately, we as a culture aren't real keen on spending our limited resources on poor folks- heck, you're likely to get labeled a socialist for even talking that way. Not to pick on DAs, but they should have to spend a lot of time on one trial- after all, the burden of proof is on them.
I'm not trying to pick on you, but the idea that you can even identify what is or is not an 'open and shut' case before trial is a direct contradiction to the presumption of innocence. Whatever mechanism you use to determine which cases meet that criteria will effectively determine guilt prior to the actual conviction. I suspect that that wasn't your intention, and while I share your distaste for the waste in our current system, it seems a small price to pay.
I agree with you, which is why I said it would never happen considering the unintended consequences to the entire justice system. It's a case of the minority making a mess of it all. I prefer the ideal that some guilty people go free rather than a single innocent person is convicted. I also have some empathy for the DAs who have limited resources to keep the number of guilty people from going free to a minimum.
cameraman
03-19-09, 12:57 PM
I think the flip side to that is sometimes you can't really offer lower charges in exchange for the plea when you have to consider the victims and the crime committed.
Sure they can. Life without parole vs death penalty is common. 50 years vs forever. They have a plea offer for every occasion. Under normal circumstances the DA's office greatly favors the plea bargain because it takes the highly unpredictable jury out of the picture and it saves them a ton of time and money.
Insomniac
03-20-09, 03:51 PM
Sure they can. Life without parole vs death penalty is common. 50 years vs forever. They have a plea offer for every occasion. Under normal circumstances the DA's office greatly favors the plea bargain because it takes the highly unpredictable jury out of the picture and it saves them a ton of time and money.
I know they prefer the plea bargain, but it is a negotiation. The stronger they think the case is, the less they are willing to come down and the more expensive the defense attorney, the more likely the defendant is to think they can beat it.
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