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mlj
06-21-08, 03:59 PM
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Danica Patrick bad for the IRL in long run
Danica spreads it wide for FHM Magazine. Selling sex is making money for her, but she is ruining IndyCar Racing in the long run according to the study. In essence sex is not a sport and does nothing to make you a better athlete. Some say if she spent more time behind the wheel and less time taking her clothes off in front of the camera she would be a better driver
It has been quite a year for Danica Patrick. She became the first woman to win an Indy Car race, coming in first at the Indy Japan 300 on April 20. She also became the first race care driver to pose for the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.

The good people at Sports Illustrated (SI) never thought to give us Richard Petty in a speedo, but Danica, bent over in a white ruffle bikini, must for some reason have seemed like a winner. In accomplishing this dubious double play, Patrick has revived a debate as old as Sonia Henie skating figure eights at the 1926 Olympics: Does sex sell -- or perhaps more aptly phrased, does sexism sell -- women's sports? Does objectifying women athletes, highlighting their bodies over their skill, putting them in swimsuits or on the covers of yuppie porn like FHM or Stuff, actually increase the interest and fanbase of women's sports? The debate has always had Faustian overtones: Is it worth turning proud women athletes into frat house cheesecake if it's for the greater good, the greater exposure, of the games themselves?

Thanks to Dr. Mary Kane, this is no longer a moral question. The sports sociologist from the University of Minnesota has produced a far-reaching study that shows sex certainly does sell, but alas, it sells only magazines, not sports. Kane and her research team showed a series of images of women athletes putting their bodies on display for a wide-ranging focus group of men and women and found out a very basic truth:

"It alienates the core of the fan base that's already there. Women both aged 18-34, and 35-55, are put off by these images. And older males, fathers with daughters, taking their daughters to sporting events to see their favorite female athletes, are deeply offended by these images."
As for the young men excited to see Danica in leather, spread out on a car: "They want to buy the magazines but they didn't want to consume the sports,"Kane said to me. In the end, she feels the research is unequivocal: "Does it increase the interest in women's sports? At least for the seventy-plus people we spoke to, the answer is a resounding no. It does not."

This should be an earth-rattling revelation for every executive in the Women's Tennis Association, the WNBA, and the LPGA tour, who have for decades thought that a little leg goes a long way. Without their leadership, Maxim and company would have to be content with whatever half-wit from the Hills strolled into their studios half-naked that week. But the leadership of women's sports, as Kane argues pervasively, will need more than logic to move away from the abyss of abject objectification.
"This is deeper. This is also about what runs in the bone marrow of women's sports, namely 'homophobia.' They are very well meaning but they also want to distance themselves from the 'lesbian label,' " she says. "How do you do that? You reassure the viewing audiences, the corporate sponsors, the TV networks and the female athletes themselves, that 'no, no, no, sports won't make your daughter gay.' Women's sports will be more acceptable if you believe, even though it is stereotypical and inaccurate, that if you are pretty and feminine in a traditional sense then you are not gay."

In other words, it's not Danica and her half-clothed athletic sisters that drive this machine. It's driven by corporate sponsors and homophobia.

But what about the women who say that provocative poses are about celebrating their bodies, and celebration of the body beautiful has been a part of sports since ancient Greece?

Kane answers, "What muscle group do bare breasts belong to? You can show off your body without being naked in a passive, sexually provocative pose."

The message to Danica Patrick couldn't be clearer: By using sex and skin, you're not selling your sport. You're only selling out. HuffingtonPost.com

Brickman
06-21-08, 05:08 PM
They need to clue the people in at AutoWeek too.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/OLYMPIANS/203347397/-1/olympians

And yes... she was on the cover.

stroker
06-21-08, 06:18 PM
You can have my grid girls when you can pry my cold dead fingers...

:p

dando
06-21-08, 06:35 PM
They need to clue the people in at AutoWeak too.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/OLYMPIANS/203347397/-1/olympians

And yes... she was on the cover.

Fixed day for ya. :)

-Kevin

grungex
06-21-08, 08:26 PM
They need to clue the people in at AutoWeek too.


The sports sociologist from the University of Minnesota has produced a far-reaching study that shows sex certainly does sell, but alas, it sells only magazines, not sports.

I'd say they don't need to be clued in whatsoever...

Sean Malone
06-21-08, 09:23 PM
Beard owns a Duc. Cool. :)

Methanolandbrats
06-21-08, 09:35 PM
Beard owns a Duc. Cool. :) Ya, I saw that...she looks and sounds like a nice girl :D

extramundane
06-21-08, 09:37 PM
Ya, I saw that...she looks and sounds like a nice girl :D

And one who's actually one of the best of her sport, no less. Go figure.

cameraman
06-21-08, 11:07 PM
You can have my grid girls when you can pry my cold dead fingers...

:p

Have no fear, grid girls are the automotive version of cheerleaders, the study was about the athletes keeping their clothes on not the cheerleaders.

TravelGal
06-22-08, 01:18 AM
"Is it worth turning proud women athletes into frat house cheesecake if it's for the greater good, the greater exposure, of the games themselves?"

What has this got to do with Danica? The last term I would use for her is "proud athlete," which, I guess, proves the point of the article. But, they spoke to 70-plus people? Is this a large enough sample? Only the statisticians know for sure.



They need to clue the people in at AutoWeek too.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/OLYMPIANS/203347397/-1/olympians

And yes... she was on the cover.

And yes, I found it offensive.

oddlycalm
06-22-08, 07:04 AM
Borrowed interest is what that, and serious marketing types discovered decades ago that it's a poor excuse for real marketing or a top quality product.

So far all that mainstrean media attention she and the dancing brazilian have gotten have failed to move the ratings needle off the floor for the EARL. The reason is simple; their notoriety didn't come from racing so none of their new fans are racing fans. All the 14yr old girls know who they are, but they don't watch racing and aren't going to start.

NASCAR gets huge promotional mileage out of Earnhart jr. and Gordon because they are known for their racing and their fans are racing fans. Mario was not a household name in my younger days because he won a game show or because he did beefcake.

oc

stroker
06-22-08, 10:42 AM
I have to wonder if they only reason anyone gives a crap about Amanda Beard is the fact she did a Playboy shoot. If she hadn't, nobody would know who the hell she is.

opinionated ow
06-22-08, 10:58 AM
I have to wonder if they only reason anyone gives a crap about Amanda Beard is the fact she did a Playboy shoot. If she hadn't, nobody would know who the hell she is.

I did; didn't even know she had done playboy

I was always more a Natalie Coughlin/Kaitlin Sandeno man though....

eiregosod
06-22-08, 11:50 AM
Borrowed interest is what that, and serious marketing types discovered decades ago that it's a poor excuse for real marketing or a top quality product.

So far all that mainstrean media attention she and the dancing brazilian have gotten have failed to move the ratings needle off the floor for the EARL. The reason is simple; their notoriety didn't come from racing so none of their new fans are racing fans. All the 14yr old girls know who they are, but they don't watch racing and aren't going to start.

NASCAR gets huge promotional mileage out of Earnhart jr. and Gordon because they are known for their racing and their fans are racing fans. Mario was not a household name in my younger days because he won a game show or because he did beefcake.

oc

if sexy sarah wasn't around in the years 1998-2004 then the dancing Brazilian would be a legend for his Indy 499 double*


* I still think that FTG's judgement call in 2002 was the begining of the end of the Mindy 500. HEY

Indy
06-22-08, 12:00 PM
* I still think that FTG's judgement call in 2002 was the begining of the end of the Mindy 500. HEY

Well, he had already beat it down to critical condition, but that was the moment when he pulled the plug.

Coming back from the dead is one hell of a lot harder than coming back from critical.

Chief
06-22-08, 08:13 PM
The IRL continously marginalized itself so Tony could get control. Danica is just another cheap gimmick or stunt that they've been pulling each year since 1996.

Single person leadership and stability is great if that person is a leader. Tony George is not that leader and the IRL continues to F UP everything it touches. They sold out to ESPN/ABC, Honda, Penske and now they realize 1995 was actually good. Screw them all, I hope it all ends up in the dumpster.

Corner5
06-23-08, 10:49 AM
The IRL continously marginalized itself so Tony could get control. Danica is just another cheap gimmick or stunt that they've been pulling each year since 1996.

Single person leadership and stability is great if that person is a leader. Tony George is not that leader and the IRL continues to F UP everything it touches. They sold out to ESPN/ABC, Honda, Penske and now they realize 1995 was actually good. Screw them all, I hope it all ends up in the dumpster.

I agree.

TravelGal
06-23-08, 11:16 PM
I agree.

Not particularly charitable of me, but I agree also. Must have ashes before one has a phoenix.