The Foyt Futility Watch -- Mid-Ohio Madness Edition

[pchall]

Let's establish some baselines for the Futility.

2001 Gil de Ferran 1:05.442 (CART pole)

2003 Paul Tracy 1:07.058 (PookieSeries pole)

2007 Dario Franchitti 1:07.666 (IRL open test FTD)

2007 Sarah Fisher 1:12.864 (IRL open test DFL)

2007 Simon Pagenaud 1:06.28 (CCWS test session)

Let the sniping begin. :gomer:

[cameraman]

Let's establish some baselines for the Futility.

2001 Gil de Ferran 1:05.442 (CART pole)

2003 Paul Tracy 1:07.058 (PookieSeries pole)

2007 Dario Franchitti 1:07.666 (IRL open test FTD)

2007 Sarah Fisher 1:12.864 (IRL open test DFL)

2007 Simon Pagenaud 1:06.28 (CCWS test session)

7/19/07 David Brabham 1:11.298 (Highcroft Racing Acura ARX) P2

7/19/07 Emanuele Pirro 1:11.953 (Audi R10) P1



Let the sniping begin. :gomer:


Fixered it for you

[extramundane]

Fixered it for you

It should be noted that today's ALMS times were on a drying track.

Good luck, Sarah :thumbup: :tony:

[Wheel-Nut]

Hey PC, you going to give us "from the event" reports? ;)

[pchall]

Heck no.

I'm too busy painting the town red with my eight year old son.

A road trip to M-O to rip on the IRL would be a wasted day (even if he wasn't here).

[pchall]

Qualies and Danica gets a spinner...

Pos.1
Helio Castroneves
Car # 3
D/H/F
Speed/Time: 121.620/1:06.8375

Pos. 2
Danica Patrick
Danica Patrick
Car # 7
D/H/F
Speed/Time: 121.098/1:07.1257

Pos.9
Darren Manning
Car # 14
D/H/F
Speed/Time: 118.323/1:08.7000

Pos. 10
Ryan Hunter-Reay
Ryan Hunter-Reay
Car # 17
D/H/F
Speed/Time: 118.024/1:08.8743


Pos. 14
A.J. Foyt IV
A.J. Foyt IV
Car # 22
D/H/F
Speed/Time: 116.456/1:09.8014


Pos. 16
Ed Carpenter
Ed Carpenter
Car # 20
D/H/F
Speed/Time: 114.900/1:10.7465

Pos. 17
Sarah Fisher
Sarah Fisher
Car # 5
D/H/F
Speed/Time: 114.394/1:11.0599

[JohnHKart]

Wow Danica is second? Awesome.

John

[pchall]

IRL pole slower than a CC rookie testing. :rofl:

[Sean O'Gorman]

IRL pole slower than a CC rookie testing. :rofl:

Yeah, because 1:06.8 is so dog slow anyone on this forum could do it... :rolleyes:

I wish you'd realize how pathetically bitter (as well as ignorant) you sound whenever create these stupid threads. If you hate the IRL so much, just ignore it. I honestly think your IRL:Champ Car post ratio has to be 5:1.

I passed up the opportunity to watch the race for free from the company hospitality suite with all the executives who actuallyy do race, because I just don't care about the IRL, so why acknowledge it?

[Indy]

I have to agree with SOG on this one. Obviously, the IRL has slower cars and less talented road course drivers in general. But they aren't that much slower. Not only are speeds entirely arbitrary these days, but if you were to ask any question, it should be why the Champ Cars are barely faster than crapwagons.

Weak hate.

[mexican]

wow, took you guys years to bitch. I, for one, consider the FFWs a staple of said forum.

go Darren!!! :gomer:

sammichtime 4 all!

[extramundane]

I honestly think your IRL:Champ Car post ratio has to be 5:1.

...said the King of Signal:Noise...


I passed up the opportunity to watch the race for free from the company hospitality suite with all the executives who actuallyy do race

Thanks,,,for,,,the,,,update,,, :gomer:

[dando]

Foytility rules!!!!111!1!!

And the EARL gets hosed by the British Open four-hole playoff. :gomer:

Carry one with the hate, yo! :thumbup:

-Kevin

[TKGAngel]

How does IRL movement affect Champcar race timing (scheduled to go off at 3p)?



I passed up the opportunity to watch the race for free from the company hospitality suite with all the executives who actuallyy do race, because I just don't care about the IRL, so why acknowledge it?

Such sacrifice.

[dando]

How does IRL movement affect Champcar race timing (scheduled to go off at 3p)?

Well the B. Open crawl shows the EARL is on @ 2, so I suspect that means that CCWS gets delayed or moved. This outdoor PBA bowling shizzle is compelling stuff, yo. :gomer:

-Kevin

[Methanolandbrats]

Yeah, because 1:06.8 is so dog slow anyone on this forum could do it... :rolleyes:

I wish you'd realize how pathetically bitter (as well as ignorant) you sound whenever create these stupid threads. If you hate the IRL so much, just ignore it. I honestly think your IRL:Champ Car post ratio has to be 5:1.

I passed up the opportunity to watch the race for free from the company hospitality suite with all the executives who actuallyy do race, because I just don't care about the IRL, so why acknowledge it? A seasoned autocrosser could easily record a 1:06. And you did'nt go to the race because GrandAm was'nt there. And you can just ignore IRL Futility posts if you find then annoying. I know ignoring certain posters works for me :D

[Insomniac]

Foytility rules!!!!111!1!!

And the EARL gets hosed by the British Open four-hole playoff. :gomer:

Carry one with the hate, yo! :thumbup:

-Kevin

You may've jumped the gun. Looks like we are getting hosed since the IRL will now be on ESPN at 2 PM ET. With CC scheduled for 3 PM ET on ESPN, there's going to be a problem.

[dando]

You may've jumped the gun. Looks like we are getting hosed since the IRL will now be on ESPN at 2 PM ET. With CC scheduled for 3 PM ET on ESPN, there's going to be a problem.

Nope. They be coming back onto ABC once the playoff is over, yo. CCWS will be fine unless they end up with a double playoff, which may be hard to fit in due to the lateness of the day over there. :)

-Kevin

[trish]

Marco flipped his car.

[dando]

Nice start, Danicle. :thumbup: :thumbup: :rofl: :shakehead

-Kevin

[dando]

Marco flipped his car.

He was moving, so hopefully he's OK.

Danica == :thumdown:

-Kevin

[Methanolandbrats]

:rofl: There's one for the highlight reel :rofl: Most of Mikey's Sleds run into each on lap 1. Now they'll have to fight each other instead of other teams :rofl:

[dando]

There's one for the highlight reel :rofl: Most of Mikey's Sleds run into each on lap 1. Now they'll have to fight each other instead of other teams :rofl:

And then they come back and show Mikey's tumble circa '99. :laugh:

Danica P2 ==> 9th. She had no clue on that start. :shakehead

-Kevin

[Methanolandbrats]

Good God, she's the Ghost of DNF Fisher............."I don't know what happened" over the radio :laugh:

[Rob]

I can't believe how full the stands and hills are. Honda must have made attendance mandatory for all Ohio employees.

[KLang]

Why are you guys watching that crap?

Shouldn't you be out doing something usefull like driving around cones in a parking lot? ;)

[dando]

Good God, she's the Ghost of DNF Fisher............."I don't know what happened" over the radio :laugh:

She forgot to turn right after the start. :D

-Kevin

[dando]

Why are you guys watching that crap?

Shouldn't you be out doing something usefull like driving around cones in a parking lot? ;)

The girls are napping, so I flipped on the Open to watch Sergio choke.....EARL delayed, Danicle Fs up the start, AGR cars wreck on the start == bonu$. :D

-Kevin

[dando]

I passed up the opportunity to watch the race for free from the company hospitality suite with all the executives who actuallyy do race, because I just don't care about the IRL, so why acknowledge it?

So let me get this straight, you passed on a chance to rub elbows and network with the brass because you don't care about the EARL? Brilliant. :gomer: :laugh:

-Kevin

[cart7]

WTF?

What's with this hobby, OW race ruining my ESPN coverage of the real race?

:tony:

[nrc]

Why are you guys watching that crap?

Shouldn't you be out doing something usefull like driving around cones in a parking lot? ;)

Good point. More activity here than on the CCWS forum. Maybe it's time to shut this site down. :\

[TKGAngel]

Good point. More activity here than on the CCWS forum. Maybe it's time to shut this site down. :\

Please, no. I don't know about the rest of you, but I like having a racing forum where intelligent discussion (more often than not) rules the day. Where people aren't counted down and thrown out for disagreeing with the dominant POV.

/exits stage left.

[Dr. Corkski]

Going slightly slower than Pagenaud is not that bad anyways, especially since the guy has yet to qualify lower than 7th in Champ Cars. But it would be funny if they went slower than a worthless wanker like Legge.

[Methanolandbrats]

Going slightly slower than Pagenaud is not that bad anyways, especially since the guy has yet to qualify lower than 7th in Champ Cars. But it would be funny if they went slower than a worthless wanker like Legge. Technically speaking, she is not a "wanker".:)

[Sean O'Gorman]

Technically speaking, she is not a "wanker".:)

How would you know?


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wank·er /ˈwæŋkər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[wang-ker] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Chiefly British and Australian Slang: Vulgar.
1. a contemptible person; jerk.
2. a male masturbator.
[Origin: 1945–50]
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
wank·er (wāng'kər) Pronunciation Key
n. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang

1. A person who masturbates.
2. A detestable person.


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wanker
1940s, "masturbator," British slang, from wank "to masturbate," of unknown origin. General sense of "contemptible person" is attested from 1972. Cf. sense evolution of jerk (n.).

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wanker

noun
terms of abuse for a masturbator [syn: tosser]

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Only one of the four definitions is gender-specific.

[Methanolandbrats]

How would you know?



Only one of the four definitions is gender-specific. Were you on your high school debate team with all the other virgins? :confused:

[Sean O'Gorman]

What is a debate team?

[nrc]

Please, no. I don't know about the rest of you, but I like having a racing forum where intelligent discussion (more often than not) rules the day. Where people aren't counted down and thrown out for disagreeing with the dominant POV.

Thanks. No need to worry. I was just disgusted and grouchy.

[pchall]

Marco flipped his car.

He must have remember those old "Be like Mike" commercials but not noticed they weren't about his pop.

1. Scott Dixon NZ Target Chip Ganassi Racing Dallara-Honda 85 laps
2. Dario Franchitti GB Andretti-Green Racing Dallara-Honda +2.6917secs
3. Helio Castroneves BRA Marlboro Team Penske Dallara-Honda +8.6783secs
4. Tony Kanaan BRA Andretti-Green Racing Dallara-Honda +8.9611secs
5. Danica Patrick USA Andretti-Green Racing Dallara-Honda +25.2578secs
6. Darren Manning GB AJ Foyt Enterprises Dallara-Honda +30.4606secs
7. Ryan Hunter-Reay USA Rahal Letterman Racing Dallara-Honda +44.5001secs
8. Buddy Rice USA Dreyer & Reinbold Racing Dallara-Honda +49.9197secs
9. Tomas Scheckter RSA Vision Racing Dallara-Honda +54.5332secs
10. Dan Wheldon GB Target Chip Ganassi Racing Dallara-Honda +55.1833secs
11. Scott Sharp USA Rahal Letterman Racing Dallara-Honda 84 laps
12. Kosuke Matsuura JPN Super Aguri Panther Racing Dallara-Honda 84 laps
13. AJ Foyt IV USA Vision Racing Dallara-Honda 84 laps
14. Sam Hornish Jr USA Marlboro Team Penske Dallara-Honda 84 laps
15. Sarah Fisher USA Dreyer & Reinbold Racing Dallara-Honda 82 laps
16. Ed Carpenter USA Vision Racing Dallara-Honda 82 laps
17. Vitor Meira BRA Panther Racing Dallara-Honda 54 laps-Engine
18. Marco Andretti USA Andretti-Green Racing Dallara-Honda 0 laps-Accident

[Wheel-Nut]

I can't believe how full the stands and hills are. Honda must have made attendance mandatory for all Ohio employees.

They were paying time and a half!!

[Insomniac]

He must have remember those old "Be like Mike" commercials but not noticed they weren't about his pop.

1. Scott Dixon NZ Target Chip Ganassi Racing Dallara-Honda 85 laps
2. Dario Franchitti GB Andretti-Green Racing Dallara-Honda +2.6917secs
3. Helio Castroneves BRA Marlboro Team Penske Dallara-Honda +8.6783secs
4. Tony Kanaan BRA Andretti-Green Racing Dallara-Honda +8.9611secs
5. Danica Patrick USA Andretti-Green Racing Dallara-Honda +25.2578secs
6. Darren Manning GB AJ Foyt Enterprises Dallara-Honda +30.4606secs
7. Ryan Hunter-Reay USA Rahal Letterman Racing Dallara-Honda +44.5001secs
8. Buddy Rice USA Dreyer & Reinbold Racing Dallara-Honda +49.9197secs
9. Tomas Scheckter RSA Vision Racing Dallara-Honda +54.5332secs
10. Dan Wheldon GB Target Chip Ganassi Racing Dallara-Honda +55.1833secs
11. Scott Sharp USA Rahal Letterman Racing Dallara-Honda 84 laps
12. Kosuke Matsuura JPN Super Aguri Panther Racing Dallara-Honda 84 laps
13. AJ Foyt IV USA Vision Racing Dallara-Honda 84 laps
14. Sam Hornish Jr USA Marlboro Team Penske Dallara-Honda 84 laps
15. Sarah Fisher USA Dreyer & Reinbold Racing Dallara-Honda 82 laps
16. Ed Carpenter USA Vision Racing Dallara-Honda 82 laps
17. Vitor Meira BRA Panther Racing Dallara-Honda 54 laps-Engine
18. Marco Andretti USA Andretti-Green Racing Dallara-Honda 0 laps-Accident

Go USA! Right, TG?

[Wheel-Nut]

. . . .

I passed up the opportunity to watch the race for free from the company hospitality suite with all the executives who actuallyy do race, because I just don't care about the IRL, so why acknowledge it?


and your dislike for the irl prevents you from enjoying free food and booze. :shakehead

Keep the Futility Watch!!!

[KLang]

So Danica finished fifth? In earl math isn't that almost a win?:D

[TrueBrit]

How would you know?



Only one of the four definitions is gender-specific.

Sorry mate, but speaking as a Brit, only fellas are wankers.

You, especially...;)

[Don Quixote]

So Danica finished fifth? In earl math isn't that almost a win?:D
Yes, that would be a second place finish. :gomer:

[Sean O'Gorman]

and your dislike for the irl prevents you from enjoying free food and booze. :shakehead

Keep the Futility Watch!!!

Yeah, and if I would've gone, I would've taken crap on this forum for going to the local IRL race, but not the local Champ Car race. I made the right decision.

[Wheel-Nut]

^^^ You would have caught crap either way, you might as well enjoy the food and booze. :)

[Sean O'Gorman]

And I would've needed plenty to get through that day. :laugh:

[G.]

Sorry mate, but speaking as a Brit, only fellas are wankers.

What's a Milka?

[Jervis Tetch 1]

Sam proved his second place was a fluke.

[Methanolandbrats]

What's a Milka? Only the last few decades have presented motorsports with a host of horrible female drivers, so there has been no need for the female equivalent of "wanker". Some clever person will have to come up with an appropriate term. :confused:

[Duroc]

Why are you guys watching that crap?

So I don't have to. :thumbup:

[opinionated ow]

What's a Milka?

a female wanker

[pchall]

I finally saw tape of some the Madness at Mid-Ohio. Seeing Princess Permapout go backwards at the start was a hoot -- she looked as bad as in her oval restarts as a rookie. She should have no complaints about getting taken off in an incident with a driver who was actually trying to race and move up on the first lap.

I find it rather ironic that Tex Manning is the unarguably the best driver Foyt has had in one of his cars during the entire span of the IRL, but unsurprisingly the team isn't up to getting him the results his remaining talents deserve.

As for the rest, ho-hum.... what a parade. ;)

[TrueBrit]

What's a Milka?

A female wanker.... :laugh:

Dang it! Someone beat me to it!!!

[Sean O'Gorman]

I finally saw tape of some the Madness at Mid-Ohio. Seeing Princess Permapout go backwards at the start was a hoot -- she looked as bad as in her oval restarts as a rookie. She should have no complaints about getting taken off in an incident with a driver who was actually trying to race and move up on the first lap.

I find it rather ironic that Tex Manning is the unarguably the best driver Foyt has had in one of his cars during the entire span of the IRL, but unsurprisingly the team isn't up to getting him the results his remaining talents deserve.

As for the rest, ho-hum.... what a parade. ;)

How did you see tape of the beginning of the race when it started on ESPN and moved to ABC unless you were actually watching the race live as well? :saywhat:

[opinionated ow]

A female wanker.... :laugh:

Dang it! Someone beat me to it!!!
always happy to :p :p :rofl:

[Methanolandbrats]

How did you see tape of the beginning of the race when it started on ESPN and moved to ABC unless you were actually watching the race live as well? :saywhat:
His quote contained the word "some". That is the answer to your question. :)

[Wheel-Nut]

How did you see tape of the beginning of the race when it started on ESPN and moved to ABC unless you were actually watching the race live as well? :saywhat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRy5Q9tLNdU

[Don Quixote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRy5Q9tLNdU
I hadn't seen that yet. Danicles, race or get out of the way. :thumdown:

[KLang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRy5Q9tLNdU


Thread over at gomerville says it is the pace car's fault. :confused: Didn't the pace car get off the track several turns before the start?

[devilmaster]

Thread over at gomerville says it is the pace car's fault. :confused: Didn't the pace car get off the track several turns before the start?

Isn't it usually an entire lap before the start?

[dando]

Thread over at gomerville says it is the pace car's fault. :confused: Didn't the pace car get off the track several turns before the start?

It does seem odd that the pace car was still on the track going into the keyhole, but it sure seems like everyone else dealt with it OK. IMO, Danica just didn't get her foot into it to keep up with Gaylio.

-Kevin

[Wheel-Nut]

Watching that clip it looks like they take the green flag on the back stretch? I don't know where the pace car went, maybe he just pulled over and let the field go by?

[dando]

Watching that clip it looks like they take the green flag on the back stretch? I don't know where the pace car went, maybe he just pulled over and let the field go by?

IIRC, there's a pull-off area near the keyhole. C^RT moved the start to the back stretch in the late 90s to avoid pileups in the keyhole like the festival curve in Portland.

-Kevin

[Insomniac]

Watching that clip it looks like they take the green flag on the back stretch? I don't know where the pace car went, maybe he just pulled over and let the field go by?

I don't see how it's anyone besides Kanaan's fault. Yeah, Danica got smoked on the start by Helio, but Kanaan still hit her from behind and got sideways and took out Marco.

[Spicoli]

"Marco's the victim" - michael. :lol:

[SurfaceUnits]

Only the last few decades have presented motorsports with a host of horrible female drivers, so there has been no need for the female equivalent of "wanker". Some clever person will have to come up with an appropriate term. :confused:a Milker

[pchall]

How did you see tape of the beginning of the race when it started on ESPN and moved to ABC unless you were actually watching the race live as well? :saywhat:

What a milker! :gomer:

methanolandbrats has the painfully obvious answer posted above

[cart7]

I don't see how it's anyone besides Kanaan's fault. Yeah, Danica got smoked on the start by Helio, but Kanaan still hit her from behind and got sideways and took out Marco.

According to both TK and Princess, she started sliding going into braking point of the turn. She left the inside way open. Had it been a better driver in Kanaans place, it would've been a pretty simple pass, since it was Kanaan, it was a move Senna would only shake his head at.

[Sean O'Gorman]

What a milker! :gomer:

methanolandbrats has the painfully obvious answer posted above

LOL, whatever it takes for you to justify watching the IRL, I guess.

[pchall]

LOL, whatever it takes for you to justify watching the IRL, I guess.

Believe what you want.

:p

[Sean O'Gorman]

I'm starting to believe that you have a Jon Herb poster hanging up in your garage. ;)

[Don Quixote]

You guys fight like an old married couple. :shivers:
For the record, I have a Sarah Fisher bobblehead.

[Spicoli]

You guys fight like an old married couple. :shivers:
For the record, I have a Sarah Fisher bobblehead.

I once drank beer with Eddie Cheever. He stuck me with the tab.:\

[STD]

LOL

[Methanolandbrats]

I once drank beer with Eddie Cheever. He stuck me with the tab.:\ Tony George signed my 2004 USGP ticket. I said "thanks" and he said "uhhhhhhhhhhhhh......." and walked away.

[Jervis Tetch 1]

:gomer: