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Spicoli
05-28-07, 03:49 PM
The lease on the FX4 is about up. Costs me $98.50 to fill the bastard up last time.

Looking at Toyota FJ, Mazda 5, Ford Edge

Need better gas mileage, buyt gotta tow my boat (2000lbs)

Any advice ? anything else i should look at?

Methanolandbrats
05-28-07, 04:05 PM
Jetta TDI. Will easily tow the boat. Diesel fuel mileage. Enormous trunk for transporting beer. No 2007 models available due to emission law change, but dealers have new 2006 cars on lot at low APR. Spring 2008 will see new VW diesels. Try it, you'll like it.........once you go diesel you'll never go back. :D

extramundane
05-28-07, 05:04 PM
I'm totally sold on 4WD, crew-cab mid-size trucks at this point. I'm digging the Frontier, but would have picked up a Tacoma* if I'd found one at the right price with everything I needed on it. My Frontier holds 4 adults comfortably (5 if needed), gets about 20mpg highway (~17 or so around town) and would handle that boat just fine.

*Don't even start any "FToyota!" crap. When Ford, GM or Dodge builds a mid-size truck that doesn't feel like a Fisher Price job, we'll talk.

skaven
05-28-07, 07:06 PM
Yellow FJ :thumbup:

Indy
05-28-07, 07:47 PM
Spicoli, if you need help with a VW, I have a friend...

RusH
05-28-07, 07:49 PM
I`m with Meth...get a diesel of some kind. The fuel may cost about the same but you go about twice as far.

Elmo T
05-28-07, 07:54 PM
We picked up a Subaru Tribeca. Mileage is listed between 18-23. Around town is about 20, but I get barely 22 on the highway, even on long runs. The 2007 Tribeca calls for premium unleaded :saywhat: , but that does away with the 2008. I think towing is limited to 2000lb.

I am strangely fascinated with the Ford Edge, but I've heard mixed reviews.

Spicoli
05-28-07, 08:01 PM
Jetta TDI. Will easily tow the boat. Diesel fuel mileage. Enormous trunk for transporting beer. No 2007 models available due to emission law change, but dealers have new 2006 cars on lot at low APR. Spring 2008 will see new VW diesels. Try it, you'll like it.........once you go diesel you'll never go back. :D

:saywhat:

G.
05-28-07, 08:08 PM
I'm kinda looking at the Saturn Outlook. Can up it to 4500 lbs towing. GM engines scare me, but I never heard of 3.6 l headgaskets going bad.

18-26 mpg.

Sean O'Gorman
05-28-07, 08:10 PM
I know a guy who has been towing his race car with a Magnum wagon and getting 16 mpg while doing it. The car weighs about 1800 lbs I think, and the car is rated for 3800.

Methanolandbrats
05-28-07, 08:18 PM
:saywhat:
You gots to do reaserch.........
http://forums.tdiclub.com/
car for you if you want to tow and and get good mileage.

Winston Wolfe
05-28-07, 08:46 PM
hey Spikkly - my two cents.... TIFWIW

Edge = Mazda CX-7 or -9.... cant recall which exactly, but decent motor on a decent platform - towing capability should be the same for the V-6.

FJ - horrible blind spot at the B-pillar - I know a few friends\neighbors who have 'em and they are not getting good gas mileage at all here in SoCal. YMMV - obviously

Mazda 5 is a good little runner - might be a good choice for a good all arounder....

Good Luck !

jcollins28
05-28-07, 09:20 PM
We just bought a new 07 Tahoe because the piece of crap ML350 that we have had for the past 8 months was sent back to Mercedes Benz on a factory buy back. Just glad to be out from under that lemon it was my second Benz and it will take a lot for me to ever buy another M-B product ever again.

grungex
05-29-07, 12:07 AM
I know a guy who has been towing his race car with a Magnum wagon and getting 16 mpg while doing it. The car weighs about 1800 lbs I think, and the car is rated for 3800.

I think you have that backwards -- the Magnum weighs north of 3800 lbs. In fact, Chrysler tried to get it rated as a truck, not because it has any of the capabilities thereof, but to cheat the CAFE stuff..

nrc
05-29-07, 12:42 AM
We picked up a Subaru Tribeca.

You mean the Tribeca B9? As in, "The front fascia may look tumorous but we're confident that it's B9?"

chop456
05-29-07, 02:09 AM
Tiguan TDI (http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2006_los_angeles/0611_2008_volkswagen_tiguan/#Scene_2)
http://www.volkswatch.com/vwnews/tiguan3.jpg
If you can wait a year. :gomer:

grungex
05-29-07, 08:02 AM
You mean the Tribeca B9? As in, "The front fascia may look tumorous but we're confident that it's B9?"

:rofl:

Elmo T
05-29-07, 08:07 AM
You mean the Tribeca B9? As in, "The front fascia may look tumorous but we're confident that it's B9?"

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... ;) We like that it doesn't look like all the others. Love it or hate it:

http://www.verdictoncars.com/cars/250/subaru/tribeca07.jpg

It does seem a tad under-powered, so I don't see it as a great towing package.

rocket
05-29-07, 10:26 AM
Buy a big bright yellow Bentley...wif a boomin' system.:D

Spicoli
05-29-07, 11:20 AM
Buy a big bright yellow Bentley...wif a boomin' system.:D

We could roll hard wit dat. Unfortunately, I am NOT in the parking lot. ;)


bot:

Seems the Edge can tow no prollem @ 3500 rated tow weight. The Mazda 7 is the one built on that Edge platform, but I might like it a little better with a 4cyl and turbo. :eek: BUT - max towing cvapacity drops to 200lbs (with the same frame? :confused: )

I have to try and drive American if at all possible. Mazda is American right?

Sean O'Gorman
05-29-07, 11:34 AM
I have to try and drive American if at all possible. Mazda is American right?

I just bought a Mazda last week and I'm considering it an American car. ;)

Ankf00
05-29-07, 11:36 AM
Tiguan TDI (http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2006_los_angeles/0611_2008_volkswagen_tiguan/#Scene_2)
http://www.volkswatch.com/vwnews/tiguan3.jpg
If you can wait a year. :gomer:

:eek:

I know what my next car is going to be! http://www2.hornfans.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/bounce.gif

KLang
05-29-07, 11:54 AM
I have to try and drive American if at all possible. Mazda is American right?

The Toyota truck mentioned up thread is made in San Antonio now.

Spicoli
05-29-07, 11:58 AM
The Toyota truck mentioned up thread is made in San Antonio now.

Yep, and Yoda trucks are built here in S. Indiana (Princeton) too. So I think that is safe. Subaru might be too (Lafayette).

Elmo T
05-29-07, 12:08 PM
Subaru might be too (Lafayette).

You are correct, sir...

And my Honda Odyssey was built in Alabama I believe.

Buying "American" sure has a new meaning. ;)

extramundane
05-29-07, 12:17 PM
The Toyota truck mentioned up thread is made in San Antonio now.

Tundras are all from San Antonio, Tacomas are still split between California & Mexico.

Both Nissan pickups are US-built as well.

RichK
05-29-07, 12:22 PM
Seems the Edge can tow no prollem @ 3500 rated tow weight. The Mazda 7 is the one built on that Edge platform, but I might like it a little better with a 4cyl and turbo. :eek: BUT - max towing cvapacity drops to 200lbs (with the same frame? :confused: )


Look up the GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) of the Edge. The GVWR is the maximum total weight allowed, including the Edge itself, the people in it, cargo in it and whatever you are towing.
That's the only way to find if you can safely tow something. Vehicle manufacturers are not very honest about real towing capacity.

Spicoli
05-29-07, 01:56 PM
Look up the GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) of the Edge. The GVWR is the maximum total weight allowed, including the Edge itself, the people in it, cargo in it and whatever you are towing.
That's the only way to find if you can safely tow something. Vehicle manufacturers are not very honest about real towing capacity.

They say the Class 2 hitch on the Edge will hold anything up to 3500 lbs and my boat with trailer is around 2900.

nrc
05-29-07, 01:56 PM
Seems the Edge can tow no prollem @ 3500 rated tow weight. The Mazda 7 is the one built on that Edge platform, but I might like it a little better with a 4cyl and turbo. :eek: BUT - max towing cvapacity drops to 200lbs (with the same frame? :confused: )

I have to try and drive American if at all possible. Mazda is American right?

The CX7 is a different platform than the Edge. The Edge and CX9 share a platform while the CX7 is a custom platform mainly from pieces of the 3 and 5. The CX7 has the same turbo 2.3 as the Mazdaspeed 3 and 6. It's very nice in the 6 but I don't know if I'd subject it to routine towing duty.

Mazda is controlled by Ford although technically it's only something like 35% ownership. Mazda builds some cars in the US but both the CX7 and CX9 are builtin Japan.

RichK
05-29-07, 02:40 PM
They say the Class 2 hitch on the Edge will hold anything up to 3500 lbs and my boat with trailer is around 2900.

Yeah, the hitch itself will do 3500 lbs, but that's not necessarily what the vehicle is capable of. Do the GVWR math. You've got a lot of kids and a lot of beer to haul as well as the boat!

Spicoli
05-29-07, 03:08 PM
Yeah, the hitch itself will do 3500 lbs, but that's not necessarily what the vehicle is capable of. Do the GVWR math. You've got a lot of kids and a lot of beer to haul as well as the boat!


Yep. :)

oddlycalm
05-29-07, 03:52 PM
I know a guy who has been towing his race car with a Magnum wagon and getting 16 mpg while doing it. The car weighs about 1800 lbs I think, and the car is rated for 3800. I like the Magnum. It weighs the same as the Edge and gets similar mileage plus it has a lot more room inside, but they only rate the towing at 2000lbs. Even though the drive train is plenty stout I suppose that could reflect limitations in the hitch mounting points...?

oc

Wheel-Nut
05-29-07, 03:56 PM
My Tacoma prerunner doesn't get great mileage. 17- 19 mpg. Towing a boat I'm sure it would be even worse. :thumdown:

Wheel-Nut
05-29-07, 03:58 PM
The CX7 is a different platform than the Edge. The Edge and CX9 share a platform while the CX7 is a custom platform mainly from pieces of the 3 and 5. The CX7 has the same turbo 2.3 as the Mazdaspeed 3 and 6. It's very nice in the 6 but I don't know if I'd subject it to routine towing duty.

Mazda is controlled by Ford although technically it's only something like 35% ownership. Mazda builds some cars in the US but both the CX7 and CX9 are builtin Japan.


CX9 . . . . :thumbup: Trying to talk the wifey into that one.

Spicoli
05-29-07, 04:53 PM
CX9 . . . . :thumbup: Trying to talk the wifey into that one.

Yeah, but the prollem is i'm still stuck at about 15mpg in the city.

Maybe I'll put a hitch on her Pacifica and get a new WRX or Lancer.:laugh:


2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X
:eek:

G.
05-29-07, 06:05 PM
Yeah, but the prollem is i'm still stuck at about 15mpg in the city.

Maybe I'll put a hitch on her Pacifica and get a new WRX or Lancer.:laugh:


2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X
:eek:
You like the Pacifica?

It's on our list to check out.

Chrysler transmissions scare me though.

Ankf00
05-29-07, 06:08 PM
Yeah, but the prollem is i'm still stuck at about 15mpg in the city.

aren't hybrid full-sizes supposed to come out soon?

oddlycalm
05-29-07, 06:17 PM
Maybe I'll put a hitch on her Pacifica and get a new WRX or Lancer.:laugh: The downside with those two is that you'll never be able to keep your foot out of them, so you're mileage will still suck. :laugh: Most of us would also have to deal with the stack of tickets, but I'm guessing being married to a judge has a few benefits...?

If you really want mileage and still want something fun Get a Mini Cooper and have a ball. Six speed manual, it gets 32 mpg city / 40 mpg highway and drives like a go kart. I like the S version real well but not enough to give up 10mpg around town and get stuck buying 92 octane gas.

oc

Spicoli
05-29-07, 06:45 PM
G: Sure do. You got little uns, its great. Not a minivan, and has decent power. We got the super duper unlimited limited grand touring SELXYZ edition :gomer: and the only thing I don;t like are the "rims" that are not wheels, but its all you can get factory. Nice with the DVD player, and 3rd seat. Bonus: class 2 hitch is 3500lb rated. :p

Ank: No faggin clue on that one. Anyone know anything about them?


OC: I loooked at that new Lancer Evo, and it looks badass. But given my penchant for "Fast", I am taking that one out of the picture. WRX wagon? can only tow 2000lbs, so its out too. I pay tickets just like everyone else.

cart7
05-29-07, 07:20 PM
What kind of boat have you got that weighs 2900lbs?

Spicoli
05-29-07, 08:11 PM
What kind of boat have you got that weighs 2900lbs?

Seadoo Challenger 180. That's with the trailer, which is how you s'post ta rate it.

http://www.sea-doo.com/en-US/Products/SportBoat/Recreation/Challenger180/

Methanolandbrats
05-29-07, 10:17 PM
Nice boat. If you want fuel mileage and towing ability, a diesel is the only choice. About a year from now diesels will be offered from many manufacturers. Why not buy some used tow vehicle now and then get the dream rig a year from now?

As Chop said http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=175041

and http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/01/29/bmw-bringing-diesels-to-us-with-new-x5-in-mid-2008/

Either one would pull your boat in style.

cart7
05-30-07, 05:53 AM
Buy a used tow vehicle and then get the car you want unless you've got issues with parking space.

That's what I'm planning to do here in the future.

Spicoli
05-30-07, 07:07 AM
used tow vehicle? hmmm. then i could get that hybrid camry i always :gomer: wanted.

Spicoli
05-30-07, 08:25 AM
OK, bewen looking at the TDI. WTF am I supposed to buy? A Toureg? Those ****ers are like 50k.

don;t tell me you expect a Passat or a Jetta Diesel to pull a boat? :saywhat:

Besides, I'm not a VW certified mechanic. :laugh:

Methanolandbrats
05-30-07, 09:05 AM
OK, bewen looking at the TDI. WTF am I supposed to buy? A Toureg? Those ****ers are like 50k.

don;t tell me you expect a Passat or a Jetta Diesel to pull a boat? :saywhat:

Besides, I'm not a VW certified mechanic. :laugh:

Jetta will tow your boat, but you have to brake early and going downhill can get sketchy. :) If ya can't wait a year for a diesel, the Suzuki XL7 is a really nice small tow vehicle. Tows 3500 lbs. A friend bought one to tow a boat and his enclosed trailer with race bikes. He loves it, nothing has broken in two years.

Audi_A4
05-30-07, 09:44 AM
you could get a Bugatti Veyron or an Arial Atom and I am sure you could find someone to install a trailer hitch on either ..... both will be fun to drive. http://www.foamcow.net/cabby/pics/bugatti_veyron_08.jpg http://www.premiumposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/ariel_atom.jpg

Sean O'Gorman
05-30-07, 09:58 AM
Hey Spicoli, I have a trailer hitch on my MR2, want to buy that? The hitch is rated to 2,000 lbs, but the car is rated to 0. :laugh:

Spicoli
05-30-07, 03:21 PM
Hey Spicoli, I have a trailer hitch on my MR2, want to buy that? The hitch is rated to 2,000 lbs, but the car is rated to 0. :laugh:

What do you tow? Your parts car? :gomer:

Spicoli
05-30-07, 03:34 PM
Jetta will tow your boat, but you have to brake early and going downhill can get sketchy. :) If ya can't wait a year for a diesel, the Suzuki XL7 is a really nice small tow vehicle. Tows 3500 lbs. A friend bought one to tow a boat and his enclosed trailer with race bikes. He loves it, nothing has broken in two years.


dood - my boat is faster, bigger and has more horsepower than a jetta. but you knew that.

Suzuki XL7? :rofl:


My name is not Spicoli-billy.

RichK
05-30-07, 03:38 PM
Sounds like you need a Toyota Tacoma or 4Runner to me. Good mileage, 4 doors, you'll still feel like a man, it'll tow the boat no problem.

Spicoli
05-30-07, 03:50 PM
Sounds like you need a Toyota Tacoma or 4Runner to me. Good mileage, 4 doors, you'll still feel like a man, it'll tow the boat no problem.


TRD Tacoma looks good. And yes, I still will look and feel like a man. With money left over, maybe I can pick uup a MR2? :gomer:


Thanks Rich!

extramundane
05-30-07, 04:30 PM
TRD Tacoma looks good. And yes, I still will look and feel like a man. With money left over, maybe I can pick uup a MR2? :gomer:


It's a good choice. The bro-in-law and father-in-law both drive 'em and they're good stuff. I'd have one too if I hadn't hit such a killer deal on the Frontier.

And there'll be plenty of room in the glovebox for the testicles you won't need while driving the MisterTwo. :thumbup:

RichK
05-30-07, 05:02 PM
We've had a Tacoma 2-door (sold due to car-seat fitting issues when the little K was born), a Tundra (towed 6000 lb racing trailer) and a Sequoia (still have it & love it). I don't think I'll ever buy anything but a Toyota when it comes to trucks. They've all been excellent. :thumbup:

Sean O'Gorman
05-30-07, 05:36 PM
And there'll be plenty of room in the glovebox for the testicles you won't need while driving the MisterTwo. :thumbup:

You'd have to remove the engine altogether to have room for the balls you need to drive an MR2.

Ankf00
05-30-07, 06:01 PM
I knew the engines in those dogsleds were small, but I didn't know they were miniature.

Methanolandbrats
05-30-07, 06:46 PM
You'd have to remove the engine altogether to have room for the balls you need to drive an MR2. Do you have the 135 hp model :laugh: or the 200 hp Widow Maker Edition :eek: It takes a special man to put his foot down hard on that much power. :p

Sean O'Gorman
05-30-07, 08:00 PM
Do you have the 135 hp model :laugh: or the 200 hp Widow Maker Edition :eek: It takes a special man to put his foot down hard on that much power. :p

Don't you drive a VW?

Spicoli
05-30-07, 08:17 PM
You like my ride?

http://i19.tinypic.com/52axzcy.jpg




Rad. :thumbup:

Ankf00
05-30-07, 08:41 PM
:rofl:

Sean O'Gorman
05-30-07, 08:42 PM
:rofl:

Where the hell did you get that pic??

Spicoli
05-30-07, 10:27 PM
:rofl:

Where the hell did you get that pic??


me funny.:gomer:

Wheel-Nut
05-31-07, 09:59 AM
Seadoo Challenger 180. That's with the trailer, which is how you s'post ta rate it.

http://www.sea-doo.com/en-US/Products/SportBoat/Recreation/Challenger180/

Put 4 wheels on it and from overhead it looks like a crapwagon. ;)

http://www.sea-doo.com/NR/rdonlyres/62D9661E-7574-4FA5-8B06-A897A6D2D22D/0/ProductSpecs.pdf

Spicoli
05-31-07, 10:07 AM
Put 4 wheels on it and from overhead it looks like a crapwagon. ;)

http://www.sea-doo.com/NR/rdonlyres/62D9661E-7574-4FA5-8B06-A897A6D2D22D/0/ProductSpecs.pdf

what you smokin boy!?

jcollins28
06-01-07, 10:43 PM
Toyota getting hit with a recall?

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070531/AUTO01/705310379/1148

Gnam
06-05-07, 08:27 PM
I've heard two good reports about Dodge's 2500 4-door pickup with the 6 clyinder Cummins diesel engine. Lots of options, lots of power, and it's turbo charged. :thumbup:

Spicoli
06-05-07, 10:12 PM
today i drove the Wrangler Unlimited (4 door). Dealer's a buddy, and said it's not gonna tow the boat very well, so F that. said he's br happy to sell me a Grand Cherokee that they can;t give away cause it looks like it did 17 years ago.

Drove the Edge today. Not bad. still thinkin about it. the moonroof dealy is preddy allsum, and the stero sounded nice. ALOT of power, i was surprised.


Drove the Tacoma, and well, its too freakin small. Just don;t feel copmfortable in it. But then I'm used to an F-150...:\

Ankf00
06-06-07, 01:17 AM
you've been driving a land-bound 777, everything's going to feel small ffs. :saywhat:

Methanolandbrats
06-06-07, 07:32 AM
The only sensible choice
http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/home.jsp?seo=goo

grungex
06-06-07, 09:00 AM
Roll in this:

http://www.marketingshift.com/images/internationalSUV-7300cxt.gif

Spicoli
06-06-07, 09:36 PM
Well crap.


Mr F-150 dealer called and offered my A Plan + 4k +1k + free oil changes/rotates if I get another F-150.



:D


Going to go see him tomorrow. :)

Spicoli
06-07-07, 05:38 PM
OK. Down to this:

Edge, fully loaded, 418/mo. A-Plan lease 36mos. 0 dn.
FX4, fully loaded, 442/mo. A-Plan lease 24 mos. 0 dn.

Considering the price of gas, mileage, and payment difference, the FX4 costs me about $1000 more per year to drive.

I really really like the FX4, feel totally safe in it, and have the advantage of being able to haul just about anything I want in it. Plus it tows about 1,000,000,000 lbs with no prollem.

The Edge is very nice. As I said before, I was impressed and pleasantly surprised. The finish and drive are very nice. Interior is roomy and has all the bells and whistles. But I'm still not convinced that the thing can proficiently tow the boat. Just because it's rated at 3500lbs towing, doesn;t mean it will do the job very well. But I save $1000/year on this option.

What's a girl to do?!:eek:

cameraman
06-07-07, 06:01 PM
Test drive the Edge with the boat and find out.

nrc
06-07-07, 07:04 PM
Yellow does not appear to be an option on either.

Possibly a useful review: http://www.boatingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=11&article_id=884

Spicoli
06-07-07, 07:22 PM
Yellow does not appear to be an option on either.

Possibly a useful review: http://www.boatingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=11&article_id=884

good article. Thanks Richard (you are good at the innerwebs)


Checked the Checkmate boat site and their 18.5 and 20' boats only weigh 1300+ lbs. My boat is about 2000lbs plus the trailer, at about 2800lbs. I think the Utard is right. Only way to know is to try out the boat on the hitch.

Gnam
06-07-07, 07:26 PM
I think these would look better on the Edge.
D-IZ-AM!

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2513/spinnergq6.gif

nissan gtp
06-07-07, 07:31 PM
the Edge looks pretty good for an SUV.

you going with AWD ?

no yellow ? can you actually do that ? :rofl:

emjaya
06-07-07, 07:54 PM
How often do you tow your boat, every weekend, once a month?
Unless the boat is permanently hitched on, the towing is not that big an issue.
What are you doing the most, towing the boat or driving the kids to school?

The Edge is going to be able to tow the boat adequately (is this with the four wheel drive option?), the increased fuel economy will save you beer money and it will probably handle on the roads a lot better than the FX4.

That's just my opinion. :\

Or have them import a Ford Territory Turbo for you. :D

http://i16.tinypic.com/67yaxyu.jpg

Spicoli
06-07-07, 08:38 PM
noyellow on either. bummer.

I've had 4 yellow cars in a row:
1. Mustang convert
2. GTI
3. is300
4. FX4


FX4 looks nice in black, red and blue. grey looks stupid and white cars suck. silver - meh.

Edge has this dark amethyst metallic that is pretty cool. and orange :gomer: then all the ordinary colors. all are right here:

http://www.fordedgeforum.com/lofiversion/index.php?t17.html

Spicoli
08-14-07, 07:43 AM
Pulled the trigger on an new 07 Grand Cherokee Laredeo 4x4. loaded with everything but Nav. stickey was $39k. Got a "green slip" for a sale price of $34,261.

got 4k in general rebate, 2k in lease loyalty, and that made the final sale price $28,261. leased out at $415/mo with zero down.


best deal i could find out there. really impressed with the drive of the Cherokee, but will for sure miss the roominess of the F-150 FX4. I still have it for 2 more weeks until the lease ends. : sadness:

Ziggy
08-14-07, 08:11 AM
Thanks for the update monkeywrench

what color is it?

Gnam
08-14-07, 12:47 PM
Pulled the trigger on an new 07 Grand Cherokee Laredeo 4x4. loaded with everything but Nav.
ooooo a Princess truck. ;)

Now you can watch Xtreme 4x4 on SpikeTV and pimp your ride.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2303000-2303999/2303256_148_full.jpg