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Also hearing another test session will be held because of time lost to wet weather? (and a last chance for "new" drivers before Vegas?)
Also hearing another test session will be held because of time lost to wet weather? (and a last chance for "new" drivers before Vegas?)
Commedy could use the seat time, I'm sure.
If my count is correct, 16 drivers on track so far. Rahal P1 over a second faster than the last poll at Laguna Seca.
No real surprises so far. Legge looking pretty good in the Coynemobile fifth fastest.
Commedy could use the seat time, I'm sure.
Isn' that spelled Comedy? ;)
Of course, I've been calling him GomerIndy...
P2 started.
Don't know how the first session ended. Live Timing quit working. :irked: Back up now.
Bourdais is now 2 seconds under his last pole time from '05, half a second off the out right track record held by Whatsa Helio.
That one was with about 900hp, right?
Bourdais is now 2 seconds under his last pole time from '05, half a second off the out right track record held by Whatsa Helio.
1:07.228
He is under the time set in the Toyota F1 car back in August.
Monterey, Calif. (August 18, 2006) – After one installation lap today on the 11-turn, 2.238 mile Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, Panasonic Toyota F1 driver Ricardo Zonta easily set a new track record on his second flying lap with at 1:07:587 at119.206 mph. This time and speed edges the previous record of 1:07.722 set by Helio Castroneves at the CART Honda Grand Prix of Monterey in 2000. Castroneves’ speed was 118.969.
Link (http://www.laguna-seca.com/pressreleases/index.cfm?ID=256)
Edit: Toyota (http://www.toyota.com/montereyhistoric/history.html) says the record is 1:06.309
chop456
03-09-07, 05:23 PM
Interesting yes, but if you think that a DP01 has anything for a TF__, you're wack. :D
Dirty Sanchez
03-09-07, 05:29 PM
traction control,,,,,,,,
Boatdesigner
03-09-07, 06:46 PM
Do the twirlers run there? I'd be curious how their times compare.
1:07.228
He is under the time set in the Toyota F1 car back in August.
Link (http://www.laguna-seca.com/pressreleases/index.cfm?ID=256)
Edit: Toyota (http://www.toyota.com/montereyhistoric/history.html) says the record is 1:06.3091:06:707
PT P1 in da DP01
1:06:707
PT P1 in da DP01
With some more rubber on the track they might beat it tomorrow. Unlimited PTP maybe?
jonovision_man
03-09-07, 08:26 PM
1:06:707
PT P1 in da DP01
Nice!
PT, eh? Back on form now that a younger teammate isn't handing him his butt? :D
jono
Hearing that "younger teammate" might be Atlantic grad David Martinez. So, that Toyota got those few .00s on the '01 for what, 40x the cost?
jonovision_man
03-09-07, 09:41 PM
Hearing that "younger teammate" might be Atlantic grad David Martinez.
Uh-oh... PT going down again? :D
So, that Toyota got those few .00s on the '01 for what, 40x the cost?
At least... but the money went into trying to make the car faster than the rest of the F1 grid within the F1 rules, if they wanted F1 cars to be faster than ChampCar all it would take is a return to slicks or a tweak of some aero rules. The trick has always been slowing F1 cars down, speeding them up is never an issue.
jono
stroker
03-09-07, 10:42 PM
Uh-oh... PT going down again? :D
At least... but the money went into trying to make the car faster than the rest of the F1 grid within the F1 rules, if they wanted F1 cars to be faster than ChampCar all it would take is a return to slicks or a tweak of some aero rules. The trick has always been slowing F1 cars down, speeding them up is never an issue.
jono
Which makes me wonder how much cheaper they could have made the car at the expense of a couple of seconds a lap. If there's even a correlation in that...
Yep, cheaper was more important than (a lot) faster certainly but how's that one working out?
jonovision_man
03-10-07, 11:09 AM
Which makes me wonder how much cheaper they could have made the car at the expense of a couple of seconds a lap. If there's even a correlation in that...
I doubt making cars go faster is all that difficult, a few aero bits or a tweak to the engine and you find a few seconds. It's not like F1 where the teams have already squeezed every tenth within the current regs... the DP-01 was designed with cost and good racing as the primary goals, not speed.
Looks like it's plenty fast, though. Being in the F1 ballpark is good stuff. If it meets the promise of creating excellent racing on-track, then kudos to them, they'll have got it right.
jono
Oooo...Bourdais in at 66.380 in the morning session. Should wax the OA record this aft....be fun to see it, anyway. Down to 66.336 with 40 min. left in session 4. .028tg! Bets? (of course I agree with jono, but it was the F-1 crowd that made such a big deal about it, so...I still think the many millions spent to get those .000s is the biggest waste of money in sports.) My guess is N/H/L uses reds and liberal ptp with about 10 min. to go.(?)
1:05.880
http://www.champcarworldseries.com/content/photos/2007/By800/20070309P_0098.jpg
We now return you to our regularly scheduled doom and gloom...
There it is, about 6 min. to go and we see a 1:05.880 from Bourdais!:cool: (and the track goes red right at the end...I hope that's not bad news.) And thanks for the new wallpaper of the week, nr!
jonovision_man
03-10-07, 08:24 PM
1:05.880
http://www.champcarworldseries.com/content/photos/2007/By800/20070309P_0098.jpg
Car is pretty... Bourdais is fast... nice.
jono
Insomniac
03-10-07, 08:44 PM
so...I still think the many millions spent to get those .000s is the biggest waste of money in sports.) My guess is N/H/L uses reds and liberal ptp with about 10 min. to go.(?)
It appears to be a waste because you know they could just make it faster if they wanted, but that $millions spent for every thousandth of a second is to beat the other teams who all have to have cars fit the regulations. The FIA is trying to limit the speed and the teams are trying to get every bit they can within (and sometimes outside) the rules.
Insomniac
03-10-07, 08:46 PM
1:05.880
http://www.champcarworldseries.com/content/photos/2007/By800/20070309P_0098.jpg
We now return you to our regularly scheduled doom and gloom...
What's mounted above the roll hoop? Normally it's an onboard camera, but I don't know why they'd need that and why they'd add that extra expense.
What's mounted above the roll hoop? Normally it's an onboard camera, but I don't know why they'd need that and why they'd add that extra expense.
My guess is that it's to simulate a camera mounted to the car. Nowadays all the cars have mounts with either cameras or fakes.
-Kevin
SurfaceUnits
03-10-07, 09:28 PM
Oooo...Bourdais in at 66.380 in the morning session. Should wax the OA record this aft....be fun to see it, anyway. Down to 66.336 with 40 min. left in session 4. .028tg! Bets? (of course I agree with jono, but it was the F-1 crowd that made such a big deal about it, so...I still think the many millions spent to get those .000s is the biggest waste of money in sports.) My guess is N/H/L uses reds and liberal ptp with about 10 min. to go.(?)
no reds at the track; bridgestone said no
Oooo...Bourdais in at 66.380 in the morning session. Should wax the OA record this aft....be fun to see it, anyway. Down to 66.336 with 40 min. left in session 4. .028tg! Bets? (of course I agree with jono, but it was the F-1 crowd that made such a big deal about it, so...I still think the many millions spent to get those .000s is the biggest waste of money in sports.) My guess is N/H/L uses reds and liberal ptp with about 10 min. to go.(?)
That TF105 track record was a demonstration only. If Laguna Seca was up to FIA Grade 1 standards and an F1 race or even test team showed up with proper preparation they would smoke the Lola or the Panoz by a few seconds.
SurfaceUnits
03-10-07, 10:14 PM
That TF105 track record was a demonstration only. If Laguna Seca was up to FIA Grade 1 standards and an F1 race or even test team showed up with proper preparation they would smoke the Lola or the Panoz by a few seconds.it was a TF106, 3 days, 2 sessions/day, they set their fast time in the sixth session after Bridgestone supplied them with a new tire compound.
Relax F-1 phobes. I have little doubt a 10+ million $ Pinnacle Car with slicks (and a slicker driver) could lap faster than our +400 lb. spec champcar. I also recall something a little more involved than a demonstration run by Toyota and they made it obvious what their goal was. They DID finally use better rubber and as noted there were no reds for CC this weekend. Have to tell you I'm impressed by the times set by the '01 and the comparison to F-1 at Laguna has to be considered VERY favorable at least. I understand KK announced a $5,000 bounty to the first guy to break that record.:) Any pics out there of him presenting the cash to Bourdais? (Anyone around here old enough to remember Gurney's $100,000 challenge to F-1 with his Eagle Indycar? All he asked was to choose his own driver and it had to be at the Nurburgring. There were no takers.)
(Anyone around here old enough to remember Gurney's $100,000 challenge to F-1 with his Eagle Indycar? All he asked was to choose his own driver and it had to be at the Nurburgring. There were no takers.)
No, but Google is my friend. :gomer:
http://www.allamericanracers.com/f1challenge.html
BEAUTIFUL! That's waaaay more than I recall, but I just knew Dan'l had Mario in mind for the driving duties. (Mario may have been fibbing to get F-1 to take the bait when he said he thought they'd win. He has said since that his F-5000 Lola of '74-'75 was faster than F-1 at that time.) Still, it's hard to imagine a 900+hp Offy 4-banger negotiating the old 'Ring. Fun reading all that again. Thanks. Dan was the MAN! (PS-there were 19 Eagles at Indy in '73, 20 counting the Kenyon-Eagle of Bob Harkey with a Foyt-8, but they WERE $36,000 ea!)
SurfaceUnits
03-11-07, 11:08 AM
Relax F-1 phobes. I have little doubt a 10+ million $ Pinnacle Car with slicks (and a slicker driver) could lap faster than our +400 lb. spec champcar. those special bridgestones were slicks. it was just a demonstration, after all.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/nickalotpb/SBandKK.jpg
Ricardo Zonta was heard mumbling something about he wished he had a Cosworth
Sweet looking car, makes me want to run out and get a happy meal. :p
:thumbup: :thumbup: ...and (Zonta ran slicks!? F-1 cheaters!)
SurfaceUnits
03-12-07, 10:27 AM
Some news reports were saying it was a TF105 - which would make it a much more powerful V10 but:
Get the story straight from yoda & ricardo 'I wish I had a Cosworth' Zonta:
First Impressions
Ricardo Zonta runs the Panasonic Toyota Racing TF106 for the first time at Laguna Seca. Here are his first impressions from a run that's already knocking on the door of the track record...
Logistics: they couldn't be packing much, it's just a demonstration
Alexander Boker, Senior Event Coordinator for Panasonic Toyota Racing, explains what's involved in bringing the Toyota TF106 to the Monterey Historics. As well as the car itself, 2.8 tons of equipment and 12 crew members ensure Ricardo Zonta gets to entertain the fans at Laguna Seca.
Toyota Racing Heroes:
Meet Juan Manuel Fangio II and Ivan "Ironman" Stewart, two heroes from Toyota's exciting racing history.
Ricardo's Car:
Panasonic Toyota Racing driver Ricardo Zonta gives you a guided tour of his high-tech Toyota TF106 Formula 1 car.
F1 Car on Track:
Watch Ricardo Zonta tackle the sweeps and hills of Laguna Seca in his Toyota TF106. The Corkscrew is unmissable..
Onboard - Lap Record: listen to those hamsters scream
Join Ricardo Zonta at the wheel of his Toyota TF106 Formula 1 car as he breaks the Laguna Seca track record with a 1m06.309s lap, then get his take on his record-breaking performance.
http://www.toyota.com/montereyhistoric/videos.html
(Anyone around here old enough to remember Gurney's $100,000 challenge to F-1 with his Eagle Indycar? All he asked was to choose his own driver and it had to be at the Nurburgring. There were no takers.)
I remember that -- but part of the story is that Colin Chapman wanted to take Gurney up on the bet but it fell through since both wanted Mario Andretti in their car.
Wow. Hadn't heard that one, and a full 5 yrs. before Mario's F-1 title. Guess he was pretty highly regardrd.;)
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