BoT: Boat of Tomorrow [Archive]

coolhand

01-19-07, 06:20 PM

The Brits are fixing to kick our butts. :gomer:

http://foxxaero.homestead.com/files/HMSSeaWraith_concept_frigate.jpg

Until they started to cancel the RN's budget big time this month.

this is actually their next gen DDG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45

Wheel-Nut

01-19-07, 06:33 PM

The mirrors will never work!!

ChampcarShark

01-22-07, 12:25 PM

We ain't got no flyin' cars yet, but Spider boats you betcha: Story (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/19/BAGE7NLI001.DTL)

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7298/baboat112pciq2.jpg

I guess it's cool that it runs, but what's it for?

Wild, Wild, West gone fishing?????? :confused:

Gnam

06-13-07, 07:53 PM

^ more crazy boatage

co-worker showed me this today. He said it'd make a hell of a bass boat. :D
link (http://www.snopes.com/photos/boats/drugrunner.asp)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5825/drugboatqz1.jpg

dando

06-13-07, 08:30 PM

The Brits new sub:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23399926-details/Britain+launches+nuclear+sub+that+can+hear+a+ship+ from+across+the+Atlantic/article.do

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_01/SubMoved_468x427.jpg

Astute's sonar is so advanced that if she was lying in the English Channel she would be able to detect ships leaving New York harbour 3,000 nautical miles away (although the details of how she can do this are classified).

:eek:

-Kevin

Indy

06-13-07, 10:24 PM

^ more crazy boatage

co-worker showed me this today. He said it'd make a hell of a bass boat. :D
link (http://www.snopes.com/photos/boats/drugrunner.asp)

---image snipped---

Ellen George. Coincidence, or connected? :laugh:

Methanolandbrats

06-13-07, 10:30 PM

Indy

06-13-07, 10:36 PM

Damn, launch that thing hard and it would do a wheelie.
:eek:

That's why you put all the blow in the bow.

eiregosod

06-13-07, 10:58 PM

Northrop, Lockheed take note about ship design. :rofl:

Ankf00

06-13-07, 11:18 PM

devilmaster

06-14-07, 12:57 AM

the filters would have to be magical to process out all the chaff.

Approaching the bottom, sir. I can hear a couple of lobsters dukin' it out

I gots to get me a new Jane's fighting ships

Gnam

06-26-07, 04:17 PM

Not really the Boat of Tomorrow, more like the Boat of Yesterday.

Yatch Diving (http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/general-yachting-discussion/7055-splash.html) ;)

Ankf00

06-26-07, 05:37 PM

the sonar deal is hard to believe, even if they could detect a ship 3000 miles away, that's all noise in a 3000 mile radius, or within a certain aspect angle, regardless, the filters would have to be magical to process out all the chaff.

and forgot to mention long range sonar currently being measured in tens of miles, a few hundred would be amazing in its own right

racermike

06-26-07, 06:20 PM

the sonar deal is hard to believe, even if they could detect a ship 3000 miles away, that's all noise in a 3000 mile radius, or within a certain aspect angle, regardless, the filters would have to be magical to process out all the chaff.

Captain Ramius: Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.
http://www.larin.org/images/The_Hunt_for_Red_October_-_pic_14.JPG

ferrarigod

06-26-07, 11:25 PM

Didn't those limey bastagies see 'Waterworld'?

Catamarans are the future!

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3707/seashadow2vk7.jpg

i watched a show on that a few years ago. the details make that boat awesome.

Gnam

12-19-07, 08:28 PM

^ bump

This think looks like that ugly batmobile, and runs off liposuction fat? Say word. Word son, you heard man, you heard. Story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=503419&in_page_id=1770)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5829/earthracepa468x407or7.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1842/tfxvx9.jpg

Gnam

02-25-08, 06:28 PM

^ bump

Seen pushing a ferry across a river in Guatamala. :D
link (http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/newsletter/2006-08.shtml)

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2880/200608castleferryoperatdw8.jpg

stroker

02-25-08, 10:12 PM

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_01/SubMoved_468x427.jpg

Doesn't that thing eat cars at Monster Truck shows?

Gnam

02-26-08, 09:39 PM

Great story about a salvage operation off the coast of Alaska.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/16-03/ff_seacowboys?currentPage=1

It's a long one, bring a snack. ;)

Gnam

04-11-08, 01:46 PM

What's the salvage law in Alabama? 'Cause two of these strapped to a deck I also 'found' would make a great party barge.

http://www.local6.com/news/15849506/detail.html

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2597/15849699pz9.jpg

nrc

04-11-08, 07:01 PM

Whatever weapons system they were testing needs some work. :saywhat:

stroker

04-11-08, 07:26 PM

Whatever weapons system they were testing needs some work. :saywhat:

I wanna know why those buggers float....?

cameraman

04-12-08, 02:46 AM

I wanna know why those buggers float....?
So that you can recover them, I suppose.

KLang

05-11-08, 10:21 AM

New toy for the Navy, the U.S.S Independence.

http://dvice.com/pics/trimaran1.jpg

Info (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/navy_launches_u.php)

Trevor Longman

05-11-08, 04:56 PM

The mirrors will never work!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Gnam

05-12-08, 01:21 PM

This beast will sail close to the shore and throw everything imaginable at an enemy—from armored vehicles and helicopters to shells, torpedoes and missiles. Plus, it can hustle at a rumored 60 knots. Basically, that means the enemy will have a difficult time escaping the wrath of this mighty vessel no matter where they are.

Hell, you could be sitting in a Port-a-Potty in the middle of the desert and this thing would probably drop out of the sky hurling torpedoes up the toilet.
No one wants to play in the deep blue anymore, so the Navy built a ship for the kidde pool. :thumbup:

Ankf00

05-12-08, 04:11 PM

LCS is pretty neat with its modular plug n play architecture

ChampcarShark

05-13-08, 01:02 PM

Just Released today.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/capt.1059000823.migrants_truck_boat_mh106.jpg

stroker

05-14-08, 11:48 PM

Just Released today.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/capt.1059000823.migrants_truck_boat_mh106.jpg

If the DoD and the Navy had done that it would have cost $300,000,000.

coolhand

05-15-08, 05:59 AM

LCS is way over priced. The was the Navy procures ships is broken, things need to change. Jones Act started this downward spiral

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEKO

MEKOs fit the need, but would never happen by law. LCS-2 looks sweet though.

cameraman

07-23-08, 05:58 PM

Well the DDG-1000 is getting ****canned as too expensive.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/USS_Zumwalt_%28DDG-1000%29_Design.jpg/800px-USS_Zumwalt_%28DDG-1000%29_Design.jpg

Two are being built now, as for the rest, not so much.:shakehead

Supposedly the current plan is back to more of these:

http://www.truxtunassn.org/Images/DDG103b.jpg

Gnam

02-07-09, 07:53 PM

At least the captain won't have to travel far for his court martial...

USS Port Royal runs aground just outside Pearl Harbor with a visiting Rear Admiral onboard.
Story (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29065902/?GT1=43001)

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1046/e2311f7c18214b96902defbhq1.jpg

Andrew Longman

02-08-09, 11:24 AM

Port Royal had just ended a four-month routine maintenance visit to Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard and was finishing the first day of sea trials when it ran aground at 8:30 p.m. on Thursday.

Gotta suck

My paper had it as the Admiral was one of the people they were off loading

stroker

02-08-09, 05:22 PM

I wonder if that skipper is included in last week's job loss report...

:(

cameraman

02-08-09, 05:33 PM

Oh not good

The third refloat attempt has failed.

Previous attempts on Friday and Saturday morning to refloat the ship were unsuccessful. Prior to yesterday's attempt, the Navy removed fuel, personnel and water from the ship in an attempt to make it lighter, but it was still stuck.

The ship is home ported at Pearl Harbor and was commissioned on July 9. Wash will hold a press conference at 12:30 p.m. today. The ship's hull is structurally sound and there has not been any fuel leaks or spills.

The weather had better stay calm. Any kind of seas and that ship is done.

I'd like to hear what really happened. It drifted on the reef while hove to in order to offload passengers? Who had the helm and what the hell were they thinking?

stroker

02-09-09, 12:00 AM

At least it's not as bad as when they stuck the USS Missouri 800 yards inland...

racermike

02-09-09, 02:53 AM

Appropriate for this thread :D

http://www.hulu.com/watch/56632/saturday-night-live-digital-short-im-on-a-boat#s-p1-st-i1

Gnam

02-09-09, 09:22 PM

They pulled her free last night with some pretty serious damage.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090209/BREAKING01/90209063/-1

And the captain has been relieved. The incident report should be interesting reading.
http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/13938/76/

I read one report that said the Port Royal was one of the ships involved with those Iranian speed boats in the straits of Hormuz last year, although under a different captain.

Gnam

03-03-09, 05:07 PM

That idea won't hold water...on purpose! ;)

A handful of young men and women are constructing one of the strangest vessels ever seen on the San Francisco waterfront - a fantastic plastic catamaran made of cast-off plastic bottles filled with dry ice.

When it is finished, sometime next month, the boat, a 60-foot catamaran named Plastiki, will sail out the Golden Gate bound across the Pacific for Australia, a voyage that will be either an absolute disaster or a huge sensation. Story (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/03/BA42167TCI.DTL)
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6805/baplastiki03ph049986024.jpg

cameraman

03-03-09, 05:49 PM

Umm "bottles filled with dry ice"????

That usually results in a bottle significantly less than watertight.:confused:

ChampcarShark

03-04-09, 03:01 PM

http://www.west.net/~science/co2.htm

"SAFETY NOTE:
NEVER PLACE dry ice into a closed container such as a soda bottle. The bottle can explode with a loud bang, damaging your eardrums. Loose plastic, such as the bottle cap, may fly off, damaging someone's eyes. THIS HAS HAPPENED! DON'T DO IT!"

me confused too... :confused::confused::confused:

03-04-09, 03:15 PM

propulsion system.

:gomer:

Gnam

03-04-09, 04:52 PM

Dang. Boat's not even wet yet and they already lost the recycled plastic boat race. These guys sailed to Hawaii in one last year. :p

http://www.junkraft.com/home.html

3 months at 1.2 knots! Who can live at that speed?

ChampcarShark

03-04-09, 05:24 PM

STD

03-04-09, 05:26 PM

Deepwater.

Gnam

05-14-09, 02:50 AM

^ bump

Deep Flight Super Falcon
Personal submarine for $1.5 million.
Story (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/13/BAAN17JT6M.DTL) & website (http://www.deepflight.com/subs/df_superfalcon.htm)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3365/bafarallones14050014170.jpg

Looks like a sup'd up kayak, but it would be fun to make one jump out of the water. :thumbup:

Gnam

07-14-09, 07:52 PM

Crazy boatage...
:eek:

truck, boat, river. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toy-truck-saves-boy-from-deep-trouble/article1217236/)

And on Sunday morning, Demetrius's fondness for cars got him into some very deep trouble. The boy wandered off from his parents' campsite near Taylor, B.C., with his motorized truck. While no one was looking, Demetrius angled the truck down a steep boat launch into the Peace River and found himself caught in the current, clinging to the toy as he was swept 12 kilometres downstream. Incredibly, when rescuers caught up to Demetrius two hours later, he was unscathed.

when Demetrius's parents asked him how he ended up in the water, he said just three words:
"truck, boat, river."
cheese and crackers...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2340/bce2b1184fb7a3eb3983b6f.jpg

dando

07-14-09, 08:21 PM

:eek:

Reminds me of the time when we first moved to our house on the Scioto river when I was ~13 yo....tried to 'boat' in some styrofoam packaging from my dad's store. Luckily I wasn't successful in getting off the flood plain. :shakehead

-Kevin

Napoleon

07-15-09, 06:20 AM

New toy for the Navy, the U.S.S Independence.

http://dvice.com/pics/trimaran1.jpg

Info (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/navy_launches_u.php)

I missed this post originally, but this was built in Wisconsin and when they launched it they sailed it down to Cleveland (where I am at) and gave tours for a day while they tested it. Unfortunately it was a work day and I could not go.

Gnam

09-01-09, 05:03 PM

Ho, Ho, Ho, Comrades!

Santa's gone nuclear. :rolleyes:

Russia is naming the fourth of its Borei class SSBN (ballistic missile carrying nuclear submarines) Syvatitel Nikolay (Saint Nicholas).

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/articles/20090830.aspx

Gnam

01-06-10, 08:10 PM

^ bump

This think looks like that ugly batmobile, and runs off liposuction fat? Story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=503419&in_page_id=1770)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5829/earthracepa468x407or7.jpg

Bat-boat vs. Japanese whaler: :gomer::thumbup:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34722032/ns/world_news-world_environment/?gt1=43001

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8131/100106whalingprotesthme.jpg

Those Whale War idiots just got the thing back in October.
Before pic: :shakehead

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7471/adygilh.jpg

Gnam

01-06-10, 08:39 PM

I can't tell if the whalers turned into them, or if the idiots accelerated to the merge.

-dXCR9LX-Kc

opinionated ow

01-06-10, 08:43 PM

I can't tell if the whalers turned into them, or if the idiots accelerated to the merge.

-dXCR9LX-Kc

They claim they were trying to get out of there way...

devilmaster

01-06-10, 08:59 PM

I can't tell if the whalers turned into them, or if the idiots accelerated to the merge.

Whalers turned into them.... It might be a optical illusion from the camera angle or something... but i've been on the side of a ship many times when she's in a turn...

When the video first started they did not look like their closet point of approach would even be near each other. just before they hit you can see the whaler has a bit of speed on....

[edit]watched it again, my guess is that the whaler wanted to get closer to get a good shot with his fire hoses.... and they don't turn on a dime, so straightening her out after turning into the Gil probably couldn't be corrected quick enough. (most older ships, you can turn the wheel all the way but the rudder doesn't catch up for a couple seconds - its not direct drive) The Gil wasn't even going fast until it became obvious that they were getting too close. At about 17 seconds into the vid you can see the pilot guns the engines... too late though.

emjaya

01-06-10, 10:41 PM

After last year it was always going to get ugly down there. At least no-one has been killed. Yet.

opinionated ow

01-06-10, 11:40 PM

After last year it was always going to get ugly down there. At least no-one has been killed. Yet.

The thing that irritates me the most is they are whaling in Australian territorial waters and the government will not intervene.

EDIT: In this instance the collision was in Australian Antarctic Territorial Waters and therefore unenforceable.

cameraman

01-07-10, 12:47 AM

They claim they were trying to get out of there way...

If he hadn't gunned the throttle he wouldn't have been hit. The pilot probably couldn't see jack out of that idiotic cabin and he or one of the tools on the stern misjudged things.

Indy

01-07-10, 09:53 AM

All this military spending and we can't take out a few Neander**** whalers.

datachicane

01-07-10, 11:33 AM

Kill two birds with one stone- bribe the Somali Pirates to direct their attention to Japanese "research whalers". :gomer:

Cam

01-07-10, 12:00 PM

Kill two birds with one stone- bribe the Somali Pirates to direct their attention to Japanese "research whalers". :gomer:

You might be on to something there! :thumbup: Might cost a few bucks in wet gear tho. They's not used to the Antarctic. ;)

datachicane

01-07-10, 12:05 PM

You might be on to something there! :thumbup: Might cost a few bucks in wet gear tho. They's not used to the Antarctic. ;)

I'm not going to lose any sleep if a few get popsicled before they figure it out. Let the pirates worry about pirate safety.

datachicane

01-07-10, 12:14 PM

For the record, Watson's still a showboating idiot.
If I were in his shoes I'd keep a very low profile, avoid any kind of media contact, and drop the whole speedboat and stinkbomb thing. A small crew, some retrofitted fireboat equipment on deck, and a zillion gallons of sprayfoam would be more to the point.

Sean Malone

01-07-10, 12:20 PM

The smaller craft is clearly idling and never changes pitch attitude that you would see if they 'gunned' the engines. Not to mention the crew is seemingly unsuspecting as if attending to something other than preparing to cut in front of the ship. From the perspective of the clip above, it is quite obvious to me the whaling ship turned into the smaller craft.

cameraman

01-07-10, 01:10 PM

Their plan was to drag cables in front of the ship to foul the ship's propeller. If you look at the video shot from the second ship you can see them move forward at the last second. The whaler was making a very close pass to blast them with the hoses, they got too close. Not a surprise given the sea state.

Gnam

01-07-10, 03:41 PM

Shiver me timbers. That whaler definately turned into them.
Some reports say the Ady Gil sank, but I can't find an official report that she's gone down.

2LAl9T75DVw

Sean Malone

01-07-10, 04:04 PM

Shiver me timbers. That whaler definately turned into them.
Some reports say the Ady Gil sank, but I can't find an official report that she's gone down.

2LAl9T75DVw

Umm...listen with the sound off!!!! 3 or 4 loud F bombs. :)

cameraman

01-07-10, 04:35 PM

The smaller craft is clearly idling and never changes pitch attitude that you would see if they 'gunned' the engines.

Watch the first video again.

First you do not leave a wake when you are idling - look at the water behind the bat from 0-15 seconds. He was moving forward at dead slow. Look at the stern of the bat 15 seconds in until it hits @ 23 seconds. He gunned it. The whaler was going to clear him until he moved that boat forward by about two lengths.

dando

01-07-10, 04:40 PM

Watch the first video again.

First you do not leave a wake when you are idling - look at the water behind the bat from 0-15 seconds. He was moving forward at dead slow.

Yup. I caught dat as well.

-Kevin

Elmo T

01-07-10, 04:43 PM

Yup. I caught dat as well.

-Kevin

Sure that isn't from the hoses?

dando

01-07-10, 04:48 PM

Sure that isn't from the hoses?

It's actually clearer in Gnam's 1st video. There's is definitely a slight wake. The hoses aren't anywhere hear the area.

-Kevin

Elmo T

01-07-10, 05:13 PM

It's actually clearer in Gnam's 1st video. There's is definitely a slight wake. The hoses aren't anywhere hear the area.

-Kevin

Yup. Looks like the they were props were turning.

I think the whaling for research is BS and horrible, but I am not crying for the hippies either way. They constantly throw themselves in harms way - apparently more for the attention. And, I guess, it is working for them.

oddlycalm

01-07-10, 05:23 PM

Australian and New Zealand scientists to challenge Japanese (http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/environment/Australian-New-Zealand-Scientists-Conduct-Research-to-Challenge-Japans-Whaling-Program-80697472.html)

As always there are the emotional environmentalists and the common sense environmentalist...

oc

datachicane

01-07-10, 05:58 PM

I think the whaling for research is BS and horrible, but I am not crying for the hippies either way. They constantly throw themselves in harms way - apparently more for the attention. And, I guess, it is working for them.

The world is full of ***hats indulging in ***hattery. That's just their (probably congenital) way.

I'd much rather have ***hats behaving like ***hats for a good cause than a bad one, all things being equal.

Sean Malone

01-07-10, 06:08 PM

Watch the first video again.

First you do not leave a wake when you are idling - look at the water behind the bat from 0-15 seconds. He was moving forward at dead slow. Look at the stern of the bat 15 seconds in until it hits @ 23 seconds. He gunned it. The whaler was going to clear him until he moved that boat forward by about two lengths.

Is the Ady jet or prop? There is some kind of wash behind the boat...but it's far from being a wake. At the 18 second mark you can see that they throttled up engines which is 2 seconds before impact. Throttled up in hopes of turning as they were surprised by the ship coming at them, or throttled up as a suicide attempt. Whatever the intentions of the boats skipper, the crew on the back were obviously not preparing to get rammed by the whaling ship.
Also, at the end of the clip you can see the tight arch of wash behind the whaler showing that they were indeed turning.

I don't' know International water law, but in US waters it is the responsibility of each vessel to maintain safe navigation. in this situation of aggressive cat and mouse games...determining who was the 'stand on' and who was the 'give way' is crucial. based off of the various clips I've seen, the whaler is guilty of endangerment by intentional collision. But overhead video or third party testimony would probably be the only way to actually prove it.

Gnam

01-07-10, 07:12 PM

Is the Ady jet or prop?

It has two props, each 36" in diameter.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9476/adygil2.jpg

emjaya

01-07-10, 09:43 PM

Ady Gil sinks. (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/sea-shepherd-lose-ady-gil-after-collision-with-whaler/story-e6frfku0-1225817238562)

nrc

01-08-10, 02:17 AM

The world is full of ...

An oldy but goody: Stop dodging the language filter. (http://www.offcamber.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7611)

Gnam

03-19-10, 07:31 PM

That idea won't hold water...on purpose! ;)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6805/baplastiki03ph049986024.jpg

I can't believe they actually finshed this thing and have the sand to take it out into the Pacific.
Bon Voyag E! Coast Guard on standby.

Under a blazing sun, a handful of workers readied Plastiki for her maiden voyage, an epic, 11,000 mile journey from San Francisco to Sydney. The historic sailing trip commences Saturday morning.

http://www.moremarin.com/buzzhome/2010/03/plastiki-leaves-on-epic-voyage-saturday-from-sausalito.html

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9246/plastikimap.jpg

emjaya

03-20-10, 07:57 AM

constructed of 12,500 plastic bottles and other recycled materials

They're taking the boat back to the US, right? :saywhat: :gomer:

oddlycalm

03-20-10, 04:44 PM

They're taking the boat back to the US, right? :saywhat: :gomer:

You mean you didn't order one...? :laugh:

oc

Gnam

07-12-10, 08:19 PM

They're taking the boat back to the US, right? :saywhat: :gomer:
Your boat is arrived. :D

As much as I think it was stupid idea, they deserve credit for not getting dead. :thumbup:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/11/plastiki-rothschild-plastic-bottle-catamaran

cameraman

10-23-10, 05:24 PM

Here is a major league oooops

8p2LuvoXKmU

A word of warning, the cameraman was either freezing or has a world class case of Parkinson's:saywhat:. The video is shaky to the point of almost making you sick.

Gnam

10-23-10, 05:51 PM

Skipper said the tide caught them by surprise. Embarrassing, but doesn't sound like much damage was done. Sea trials don't count, right? :D

EDwardo

10-23-10, 06:05 PM

Next thing you know someone will make a boat out of duct tape. Oh, wait....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ESfodwZmuuI/S79hNHrvsPI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/_J6__9z_nhw/s1600/mythbusters.jpg

devilmaster

10-23-10, 07:28 PM

Skipper said the tide caught them by surprise. Embarrassing, but doesn't sound like much damage was done. Sea trials don't count, right? :D

The best from the rest....

http://www.cargolaw.com/images/Singles07.Minesweepwer1.GIF

German Navy Type 332 Frankenthal class mine hunter M106 Grömitz (built 1994) based in Kiel -- will remain for some time on the rocks where it grounded in the night of Feb 21 off the harbor Floræ on way to Bergen. While hull remained so far undamaged in the grounding, the bunker fuel will have to be taken off before salvage. This probably will have to be undertaken by a sheerleg as a tug could cause hull damage when towing the ship off the rocks where Grömitz is stuck fast with its bow pointing to the sky. Cause of the grounding was said to be a navigational error, but the small island could possible not be detected by radar in snowy conditions. Ship was underway with other NATO-units within a mine hunting exercise