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racer2c
06-09-06, 11:19 PM
Oh only everytime he got his ass handed to him by his teammate. :laugh:
Oh god, let's not rehash the DaMatta thing. This isn't about DaMatta. He was in a Coyne car up until yesterday. What's he supposed to do, tell Rusport "no thanks guys, I'm an F1 washout wanker who cruises to wins and I deserve to be where I am"?
In the eyes of Rusport they get a seasoned veteran, ex-Champ, probably for very next to nothin. Obviously something serious went down with AJ.
I liked Rob's post. Champ Car without an American is an embarrassment.
Now that I had some time to think about it, I sort of understand the move.
a) Rusport is the second best team in champcar right now, and they want to be #1.
b) CDM, a past champion and great exerience learned in F1 is available. No matter what you say about his F1 adventure, CDM learned a heck of a lot and will bring a lot of technical knowledge to the table.
c) AJ, although a bright talent, has not really improved since the second half of his rookie season. The fact that he is being consistently beaten in races by his teammate means that he has not gotten to his level yet. I think Russo expected him to be further along in his learning curve. Note: I said, 'in races', qualifying doesn't win you races.
d) Russo is arogant and believes that his team is capable of beating Bourdais-NHR, he just wants to put the best posible package together, and having CDM instead of AJ might help.
Michaelhatesfans
06-09-06, 11:50 PM
Champ Car without an American is an embarrassment.
Why?
racer2c
06-09-06, 11:57 PM
Why?
You tell me why it isn't.
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 12:37 AM
You tell me why it isn't.
Because I don't give a rat's ass where a driver is from. Should the NBA be embarassed if it had an all black team?
Not having an American in CCWS series is like having Germany, Italy or England not qualify for the world cup! It is embarrassing.
Because I don't give a rat's ass where a driver is from.
Neither do I. But Champ Car cannot claim to have "top drivers from all around the world" with a straight face and not have an American. Should there be an American in the series at the expense of a talented non-American driver? Of course not. But you'd think with all the ride-buying grid fillers around that there would be at least one spot for a talented American.
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 03:01 AM
Neither do I. But Champ Car cannot claim to have "top drivers from all around the world" with a straight face and not have an American. Should there be an American in the series at the expense of a talented non-American driver? Of course not. But you'd think with all the ride-buying grid fillers around that there would be at least one spot for a talented American.
Life isn't fair. In auto racing, it's even less fair.
How many Americans were in F1 over the past ten years (not counting this one)? They had plenty of ride buyers and no Americans. Should they have been embarassed? NASCAR also claims to have the world's greatest drivers - in fact some of their drivers are from as far away as California.
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 03:06 AM
Not having an American in CCWS series is like having Germany, Italy or England not qualify for the world cup! It is embarrassing.
So if those teams don't qualify for the World Cup, they should just be allowed in anyway just because of who they are?
Life isn't fair. In auto racing, it's even less fair.
How many Americans were in F1 over the past ten years (not counting this one)? They had plenty of ride buyers and no Americans. Should they have been embarassed? NASCAR also claims to have the world's greatest drivers - in fact some of their drivers are from as far away as California.I never asked for fairness. But Champ Car looks stupid without an American in the series. F1 is not a U.S.-based series. And yet, F1 recognizes the need for an American driver. NASCAR, if it's going to make that claim, should be embarrased by the fact that it only has American drivers.
I really don't GAF where a driver is from either. Justin Wilson is my favorite driver and he's not American. Before Wilson, I was a Patreek fan. People will root for two types of drivers: 1) a real badass driver, or 2) a driver they can personally identify with. Right now I can count on one hand the badasses in Champ Car. And there are even fewer drivers that fans can personally identify with.
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 04:25 AM
I never asked for fairness. But Champ Car looks stupid without an American in the series. F1 is not a U.S.-based series. And yet, F1 recognizes the need for an American driver. NASCAR, if it's going to make that claim, should be embarrased by the fact that it only has American drivers.
I really don't GAF where a driver is from either. Justin Wilson is my favorite driver and he's not American. Before Wilson, I was a Patreek fan. People will root for two types of drivers: 1) a real badass driver, or 2) a driver they can personally identify with. Right now I can count on one hand the badasses in Champ Car. And there are even fewer drivers that fans can personally identify with.
Well, we agree that NASCAR should be embarassed, anyway.
Andrew Longman
06-10-06, 04:43 AM
Another site is claiming that AR1 is saying the AJ has been offered the Coyne seat.
If true and he accepts, that keeps him in the series, but he is not going to learn much but humility there
Another site is claiming that AR1 is saying the AJ has been offered the Coyne seat.
If true and he accepts, that keeps him in the series, but he is not going to learn much but humility there
You never know, from the transcript:
Q. That leaves open the possibility of some remuneration for taking his driver away. Was that part of the program?
CARL RUSSO: So the answer is, no comment. Let me answer it as best I can. Let me put it to you this way: I appreciate what Dale has done with Cristiano. Dale and I are chatting about a whole set of things as we go forward.
Perhaps Russo will be helping out Coyne with some of those updated parts that Coyne is missing.
TKGAngel
06-10-06, 09:07 AM
Another site is claiming that AR1 is saying the AJ has been offered the Coyne seat.
If true and he accepts, that keeps him in the series, but he is not going to learn much but humility there
Based on comments in this thread (and comments on other sites), it sounds like AJ maybe needs that dose of humility. If a Coyne ride gives him that swift kick in the arse, maybe he'll be a better driver because of it.
Has AJ even made a comment about this situation? Normally a PR release would at least contain a comment about "I've enjoyed my time with RuSport, blahblahblahmovingoninchampcarcakes."
OTOH, at least the RuSport crew won't have to adjust the car too much from AJ to Shorty.
So if those teams don't qualify for the World Cup, they should just be allowed in anyway just because of who they are?
No, but teams like Paraguay and Costa Rica do not buy their way in like 70% of the CCWS drivers! :laugh: But, thanks anayways! :shakehead
Spicoli
06-10-06, 10:32 AM
Based on comments in this thread (and comments on other sites), it sounds like AJ maybe needs that dose of humility. If a Coyne ride gives him that swift kick in the arse, maybe he'll be a better driver because of it.
Has AJ even made a comment about this situation? Normally a PR release would at least contain a comment about "I've enjoyed my time with RuSport, blahblahblahmovingoninchampcarcakes."
OTOH, at least the RuSport crew won't have to adjust the car too much from AJ to Shorty.
http://mikescomputersllc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5148
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 12:33 PM
No, but teams like Paraguay and Costa Rica do not buy their way in like 70% of the CCWS drivers! :laugh: But, thanks anayways! :shakehead
The point being, if England or Germany don't make it in, the team might be embarassed, but the sport shouldn't be.
Dr. Corkski
06-10-06, 12:42 PM
The point being, if England or Germany don't make it in, the team might be embarassed, but the sport shouldn't be.The sport should be embarrassed if it is locking out a bunch of legit teams because a bunch of weak Oceania teams are guaranteed WC spots because they are willing to throw money at FIFA.
racer2c
06-10-06, 12:45 PM
That's right, I forgot, Champ Car should be about what michealhatesfans wants. :shakehead
How many xenophobic gomer anti-foreign driver members do we have here at OC? Exactly. This isn't about whether or not any of us care if there are any American drivers or not, it's about the perception of a U.S. based series to the mass market not having at least ONE driver from the states.
Come on down off your high horse and check out the bigger picture. :thumbup:
Ed_Severson
06-10-06, 01:20 PM
That's right, I forgot, Champ Car should be about what michealhatesfans wants. :shakehead
How many xenophobic gomer anti-foreign driver members do we have here at OC? Exactly. This isn't about whether or not any of us care if there are any American drivers or not, it's about the perception of a U.S. based series to the mass market not having at least ONE driver from the states.
Come on down off your high horse and check out the bigger picture. :thumbup:
This is about as astute as saying the NBA should be embarrassed because the Pacers don't have any players from Indiana on their roster.
Boo-frickity-hoo.
What exactly do you expect anybody to do about it? You do realize, of course, that Champ Car is a sanctioning body and does not hire and fire drivers at all, don't you? Do you expect them to force Carl Russo to keep Allmendinger in the car because he's the only American we have?
If you're embarrassed by Champ Car not having an American driver for, let's see, about 18 hours so far, you're free to stop watching at any time. I think I'll stick around and see what happens, enjoy the racing, and hopefully manage to contain my shame during the weekend in Portland. :rolleyes:
Fitti Fan
06-10-06, 01:28 PM
Socks? Off.
Pure speculation on my part, but I bet Russo got tired of trying to convince Allmendinger that he is up to the task. Better to get someone on the time who doesn’t need convincing.
I don't think this is a "buy American" thing, I think this is between AJ and Russo.
racer2c
06-10-06, 01:40 PM
This is about as astute as saying the NBA should be embarrassed because the Pacers don't have any players from Indiana on their roster.
Boo-frickity-hoo.
What exactly do you expect anybody to do about it? You do realize, of course, that Champ Car is a sanctioning body and does not hire and fire drivers at all, don't you? Do you expect them to force Carl Russo to keep Allmendinger in the car because he's the only American we have?
If you're embarrassed by Champ Car not having an American driver for, let's see, about 18 hours so far, you're free to stop watching at any time. I think I'll stick around and see what happens, enjoy the racing, and hopefully manage to contain my shame during the weekend in Portland. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Astute? Let's talk about the CCWS sanctioning body and what they finance, then come back and talk to me about being astute.
Astute? Right, typical post from another martyr who wants to turn this into "look at me, I don't care that the U.S. based race series which is on life support for it's very survival doens't have at least ONE American driver." You may not care, and I may not care (from someone who's top ten favorite drivers have been foreign), but let's see what the press makes of it, and the casual fan. Keep playing the violin as the city burns around you. How astute of you.
Ed_Severson
06-10-06, 01:52 PM
:rolleyes:
Astute? Let's talk about the CCWS sanctioning body and what they finance, then come back and talk to me about being astute.
I'm well aware of what they finance. They don't finance RuSport. They had no role in this decision. I fail to see why they should be embarrassed because one of their team owners chose to terminate the contract of an underachieving, zero-race-winning driver, regardless of where he's from.
Right, typical post from another martyr who wants to turn this into "look at me, I don't care that the U.S. based race series which is on life support for it's very survival doens't have at least ONE American driver."
:rofl:
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Okay, champ. We're going to go out of business without A.J. Allmendinger. I guess I'd better start looking for a new job. :gomer:
Wet yourself if you want, but this is exactly the same thing that so many people said when Champ Car lost ...
1) Penske
2) Ganassi
3) Andretti
4) Rahal
5) Hunter-Reay
... and so many others.
Let the press make a stink about it. It's not really going to change anything. People that are Champ Car fans aren't here simply because of A.J. Allmendinger, and we don't need A.J. Allmendinger to sell Champ Car to the casual fan. Sure, it would help to have him -- he's talented and has a great personality -- but we don't need him just because he's American. The product is the racing, not the drivers. If people give the racing a fair shot, they won't care where the drivers are from.
Like I said, you're free to stop watching at any time. Somehow I have a feeling you'll watch Portland, despite your drama-queen protestations here. It's the internet, and if you don't have something to bitch about, it's just no fun. We've been through this drill before. I'm not pulling the cord on Champ Car over this, and neither are you. You're just blowing smoke.
That's fine. Vent all the frustration you want. But don't expect me or anybody else at Champ Car to be embarrassed by our product just because you need to unload a steaming pile on the 'net to prove how much you care.
racer2c
06-10-06, 01:55 PM
I'm well aware of what they finance. They don't finance RuSport. They had no role in this decision. I fail to see why they should be embarrassed because one of their team owners chose to terminate the contract of an underachieving, zero-race-winning driver, regardless of where he's from.
:rofl:
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Okay, champ. We're going to go out of business without A.J. Allmendinger. I guess I'd better start looking for a new job. :gomer:
Wet yourself if you want, but this is exactly the same thing that so many people said when Champ Car lost ...
1) Penske
2) Ganassi
3) Andretti
4) Rahal
5) Hunter-Reay
... and so many others.
Let the press make a stink about it. It's not really going to change anything. People that are Champ Car fans aren't here simply because of A.J. Allmendinger, and we don't need A.J. Allmendinger to sell Champ Car to the casual fan. Sure, it would help to have him -- he's talented and has a great personality -- but we don't need him just because he's American. The product is the racing, not the drivers. If people give the racing a fair shot, they won't care where the drivers are from.
Like I said, you're free to stop watching at any time. Somehow I have a feeling you'll watch Portland, despite your drama-queen protestations here. It's the internet, and if you don't have something to bitch about, it's just no fun. We've been through this drill before. I'm not pulling the cord on Champ Car over this, and neither are you. You're just blowing smoke.
That's fine. Vent all the frustration you want. But don't expect me or anybody else at Champ Car to be embarrassed by our product just because you need to unload a steaming pile on the 'net to prove how much you care.
Just make sure you read the memo's and press announcments from your bosses about how important and American driver is to YOUR series. K? K.
I can dig up past ones if you don't have them handy.
Oh, I could also dig up the comments from Paul Newman and others who say the demise of Champ Car is very real. I have a feeling your resume is up to date.
I don't believe it would be the end of the world if we don't have an american driver. Hardly anyone is watching at the moment anyway. ;)
OTOH, I believe KK and Co. will insure (if necessary) that he winds up somewhere. As others have mentioned, finishing up the season with Coyne might actually do him some good. No idea what his contract says but I wouldn't be surprised if Carl is paying AJ for the remainder of the year.
Ed_Severson
06-10-06, 02:03 PM
I don't believe it would be the end of the world if we don't have an american driver. Hardly anyone is watching at the moment anyway. ;)
OTOH, I believe KK and Co. will insure (if necessary) that he winds up somewhere. As others have mentioned, finishing up the season with Coyne might actually do him some good. No idea what his contract says but I wouldn't be surprised if Carl is paying AJ for the remainder of the year.
It's not the greatest seat in the world, but I hope Allmendinger is clear-headed enough to accept the offer from Coyne and stay in the paddock. Russo's comments make it pretty clear that Coyne will be getting some compensation for the loss of da Matta, and if Allmendinger can convince Red Bull to stay with him as a personal sponsor, that little bit of money along with Russo's contribution could make a big difference for Dale Coyne Racing.
Let the press make a stink about it. It's not really going to change anything. People that are Champ Car fans aren't here simply because of A.J. Allmendinger, and we don't need A.J. Allmendinger to sell Champ Car to the casual fan. Sure, it would help to have him -- he's talented and has a great personality -- but we don't need him just because he's American. The product is the racing, not the drivers. If people give the racing a fair shot, they won't care where the drivers are from.
The product is racing? I thought it was 3 day festivals of speed with the emphasis on the festival part.
Good luck selling a street racing series to the American public without a least SOME American drivers involved. Street racing, by and large, comes across on TV as boring, single file parades. What's worse is if it's done by a bunch of nameless drivers the general public couldn't give 2 chits about.
BTW, this thread is starting to sound strikingly like the ones at TF over the past few years as the old American spridget guys got left out in the cold and were replaced with Brazilians. :gomer:
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 04:40 PM
That's right, I forgot, Champ Car should be about what michealhatesfans wants. :shakehead:
:laugh: Hell, that's another thread, because Champ Car in it's current form is light years from what I really want. :laugh:
Champ Car has bigger fish to fry than to worry about their driver's passports right now.
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 04:46 PM
Good luck selling a street racing series to the American public without a least SOME American drivers involved. Street racing, by and large, comes across on TV as boring, single file parades. What's worse is if it's done by a bunch of nameless drivers the general public couldn't give 2 chits about.
Some American won a big race in Indiana last month on a really famous race track. No one gave two chits about that, either. The only one that people were watching was the grandson of an Italian immigrant.
racer2c
06-10-06, 05:11 PM
Some American won a big race in Indiana last month on a really famous race track. No one gave two chits about that, either. The only one that people were watching was the grandson of an Italian immigrant.
I'm 1/16th Cheroke. Does that mean I get casino royalties? :gomer:
Dr. Corkski
06-10-06, 05:13 PM
I bet Ansan keeps getting cancelled because there isn't a Korean driver. :gomer:
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 05:23 PM
I'm 1/16th Cheroke. Does that mean I get casino royalties? :gomer:
More royalties than this one, it's only 1/18th.
http://www.diecastfast.net/images/31119_s.jpg
Andrew Longman
06-10-06, 05:42 PM
Whether he is American or not is, I think, less important that he consistently runs up front, is good on camera, has personality, and has developed a significant fan-following (or at least as significant as you can ge these days in CC). Even for those that are not fans of his, he is one of the few known names in the paddock over the last few years among all usual merry-go-round of drivers in the grid.
I know of a least three people for whom their CC fan experience will be diminished if he is not in Cleveland. ;)
He being an American is not to be dismissed, but being a recongnized name among the fans is more important.
Ed_Severson
06-10-06, 05:50 PM
Whether he is American or not is, I think, less important that he consistently runs up front, is good on camera, has personality, and has developed a significant fan-following
Watch out ... this will get you insulted by all sorts of cool people who can predict the future. :gomer:
racer2c
06-10-06, 06:10 PM
Watch out ... this will get you insulted by all sorts of cool people who can predict the future. :gomer:
Like you "predicting" that AJ will get the Coyne seat? :gomer:
Ed_Severson
06-10-06, 06:17 PM
Must be another of your hallucinations ... at no point have I predicted that. It's a possibility; there are others. We'll find out in Portland (and based on Coyne's prior history with this sort of thing, maybe not a minute sooner).
Anything else you want to complain about, Nancy?
racer2c
06-10-06, 06:38 PM
Must be another of your hallucinations ... at no point have I predicted that. It's a possibility; there are others. We'll find out in Portland (and based on Coyne's prior history with this sort of thing, maybe not a minute sooner).
Anything else you want to complain about, Nancy?
Nancy? Good one! :gomer:
Does this mean I've ruined any chance of getting any free CC swag from you? I've always wanted a CCWS coffee mug. That reminds me, how does KK like his coffee?
And since you're resorting to name calling, let me try to difuse this a bit; I was simply agreeing with the majority of the other posts that were made prior to mine. Will this affect my "fanship" of the CCWS? No. Will this affect the CCWS? How much lower can it get, but I hope not. Will it inspire numerous amounts of venom filled editorials from the press? Probably. Like you said though, this is probably all for naught, as AJ wants to drive a Champ Car and I "predict" one will be offered to him.
Yup, now "Unsubstantiated rumors" are saying it may be Dominguez who moves over to Coyne and AJ might be headed to Forsythe. I think someone is reading OC... Warlock, KLang, T1 :) Those in charge must realize what is best for CC is the top priority. Allowing a top talent to languish for long at the bottom is not a good thing and my guess is daMatta knew if something opened up he'd be the next Servia. The only question is, does Gerry think AJ is a better driver than Mario...attitude and all? Perhaps FCR is the "less sympathetic environment" Russo was talking about?
Some American won a big race in Indiana last month on a really famous race track. No one gave two chits about that, either. The only one that people were watching was the grandson of an Italian immigrant.
Well, unfortunately you'd be wrong. There were Americans running 1,2,3 in that race. Those guys actually got some press. Of course, being on a national network doesn't hurt.
BTW, you guys keep rambling on about the product and "if the racings good, the product will sell". Street racing sucks. It's not good racing. It's alright if you add a few to a series of races on real racetracks for B2B purposes but to center a series almost entirely on them is dooming it to failure. Point 2, these aren't robot controlled cars out there, there are human beings in the cars and people make the connection to those drivers. It's a lot easier for Americans to make a connection to American drivers than it is an Australian or Brazilian or Englishman or Italian. Hell, even KK realizes that, now he and the rest of the team owners need to follow through. Failure will merely lead them down the same path as the other series who's trying to run oval races with foreign road racers as drivers.
Ed_Severson
06-10-06, 06:58 PM
And since you're resorting to name calling
:cry:
I suppose it's okay for you to call me a coffee-fetcher, though, right? :gomer:
I was simply agreeing with the majority of the other posts that were made prior to mine.
Really? Would you care to point out which of the 100 posts prior to yours referred to Champ Car as "an embarrassment?" I'm having trouble finding it, and I just want to be sure I know exactly who you think you were agreeing with. :gomer:
Like I said before, not having "an American" and not having A.J. Allmendinger are two very different things. This isn't about nationality; it's about talent. If you want to pile onto the people who produce this product for your entertainment and criticize them for something that's beyond their control, it's your prerogative to do so. It's not going to accomplish anything, but by all means, cry all you want. Just don't expect any sympathy from me if you can't properly assess who is responsible for these decisions, or even what you're really angry about.
I'm out. No sense arguing with somebody who isn't willing to listen ...
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 07:03 PM
Well, unfortunately you'd be wrong. There were Americans running 1,2,3 in that race. Those guys actually got some press.
I couldn't tell you who finished third, and if not for these forums, I wouldn't know who finished first or second, either. Stop someone on the street and ask them to name this year's top three.
racer2c
06-10-06, 07:05 PM
:cry:
I suppose it's okay for you to call me a coffee-fetcher, though, right? :gomer:
Really? Would you care to point out which of the 100 posts prior to yours referred to Champ Car as "an embarrassment?" I'm having trouble finding it, and I just want to be sure I know exactly who you think you were agreeing with. :gomer:
Like I said before, not having "an American" and not having A.J. Allmendinger are two very different things. This isn't about nationality; it's about talent. If you want to pile onto the people who produce this product for your entertainment and criticize them for something that's beyond their control, it's your prerogative to do so. It's not going to accomplish anything, but by all means, cry all you want. Just don't expect any sympathy from me if you can't properly assess who is responsible for these decisions, or even what you're really angry about.
I'm out. No sense arguing with somebody who isn't willing to listen ...
I'll do one better...
http://www.offcamber.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10758
I know it sucks to have a minority opinion, hell, I'm a Champ Car fan, but don't let it ruin your day.
I couldn't tell you who finished third, and if not for these forums, I wouldn't know who finished first or second, either. Stop someone on the street and ask them to name this year's top three.
Indy got press because of the finish. Indy got press because of Marco.
Seabass has been the series champion for 2 years straight and now about to go on 3. Do you really think anyone on the street knows or cares who he is?
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 07:28 PM
It's a lot easier for Americans to make a connection to American drivers than it is an Australian or Brazilian or Englishman or Italian.
That depends entirely upon the American/Aussie/Brazilian/Brit/Italian invovled.
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 07:30 PM
Indy got press because of the finish. Indy got press because of Marco.
Seabass has been the series champion for 2 years straight and now about to go on 3. Do you really think anyone on the street knows or cares who he is?
The man on the street doesn't have a clue who anyone is in open wheel racing anymore, regardless of nationality.
How 'bout regardless of sex?
Michaelhatesfans
06-10-06, 07:58 PM
How 'bout regardless of sex?
Don't start that! :laugh:
Racing Truth
06-10-06, 08:01 PM
The product is racing? I thought it was 3 day festivals of speed with the emphasis on the festival part.
Good luck selling a street racing series to the American public without a least SOME American drivers involved. Street racing, by and large, comes across on TV as boring, single file parades. What's worse is if it's done by a bunch of nameless drivers the general public couldn't give 2 chits about.
BTW, this thread is starting to sound strikingly like the ones at TF over the past few years as the old American spridget guys got left out in the cold and were replaced with Brazilians. :gomer:
I second everything.
Why people think a street festival series will do anything more than wank along for a few yrs. is beyond me. I know, I know, I hate Champ Car, etc. :gomer:
Ed_Severson
06-10-06, 09:18 PM
I'll do one better...
http://www.offcamber.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10758
I know it sucks to have a minority opinion, hell, I'm a Champ Car fan, but don't let it ruin your day.
Still meaningless until you figure out which question you want an answer to and state it clearly. :gomer:
:thumbup: for the attempt at a moral victory, though. ;)
racer2c
06-10-06, 11:15 PM
Still meaningless until you figure out which question you want an answer to and state it clearly. :gomer:
:thumbup: for the attempt at a moral victory, though. ;)
Ah shucks, thanks. I'd like to thank the acadamy...
But hey, you're the one who works for the CCWS so you know better than I. :)
The man on the street doesn't have a clue who anyone is in open wheel racing anymore, regardless of nationality.
And yet they can rattle the names of several Nascar drivers off the top of their heads. Is Nascar as popular as it is because of the superior on-track racing product?
Hardly, many Nascar fans complain the product has gone down hill the past few years as the cars became too aero dependant. So what does that leave to explain it's popularity?
I'm not suggesting turning OW racing into a clone of Nascar but the number of people that'll make a connection with a driver of some other nationality besides American is small, especially when there's no American alternative and the product is street racing.
Michaelhatesfans
06-11-06, 11:45 AM
And yet they can rattle the names of several Nascar drivers off the top of their heads. Is Nascar as popular as it is because of the superior on-track racing product?
Hardly, many Nascar fans complain the product has gone down hill the past few years as the cars became too aero dependant. So what does that leave to explain it's popularity?
I won't even pretend to understand NASCAR's fan base, to be honest with you.
http://www.dowlingsweatt.com/images/FunnyPictures/Nascar%20fan.jpg
Insomniac
06-11-06, 02:43 PM
I'm 1/16th Cheroke. Does that mean I get casino royalties? :gomer:
I think it means you don't have to pay taxes.
Insomniac
06-11-06, 02:47 PM
Indy got press because of the finish. Indy got press because of Marco.
Seabass has been the series champion for 2 years straight and now about to go on 3. Do you really think anyone on the street knows or cares who he is?
Exactly. Why would the U.S. press really care to spend time promoting someone the majority of their readers can't identify with or care about. There's a reason OWR (ChampCar in particular) press coverage has been relegated to magazines devoted to racing. They're the only people who have writers and readers who care.
Insomniac
06-11-06, 02:49 PM
And yet they can rattle the names of several Nascar drivers off the top of their heads. Is Nascar as popular as it is because of the superior on-track racing product?
Hardly, many Nascar fans complain the product has gone down hill the past few years as the cars became too aero dependant. So what does that leave to explain it's popularity?
I'm not suggesting turning OW racing into a clone of Nascar but the number of people that'll make a connection with a driver of some other nationality besides American is small, especially when there's no American alternative and the product is street racing.
I think we should just all blame Tom Cruise!
Why people think a street festival series will do anything more than wank along for a few yrs. is beyond me.
"With crowds well in excess of 150,000, the Long Beach Grand Prix is second only to the Indianapolis 500 as the most-attended open-wheel event in the nation. But the hundreds of laps around the city's seaside course are just part of the appeal of the fuel-injected bacchanal, which features rock concerts, celebrity races, beauty pageants and all manner of four-wheeled fun.
The 32-year-old event"
Dr. Corkski
06-11-06, 06:13 PM
"With crowds well in excess of 150,000, the Long Beach Grand Prix is second only to the Indianapolis 500 as the most-attended open-wheel event in the nation. But the hundreds of laps around the city's seaside course are just part of the appeal of the fuel-injected bacchanal, which features rock concerts, celebrity races, beauty pageants and all manner of four-wheeled fun.
The 32-year-old event"Wait til they add beach volleyball! It will be bigger than Indy and so big that the event alone will generate enough sponsorship for 30 cars! :gomer:
TKGAngel
06-11-06, 07:20 PM
According to RM on SpeedNews, AJ will go to Forsythe by the end of the week.
According to RM on SpeedNews, AJ will go to Forsythe by the end of the week.
They didn't mention anything about the open Coyne seat. I hope someone is in it, we need to work on the car count.
George
Racing Truth
06-11-06, 07:27 PM
"With crowds well in excess of 150,000, the Long Beach Grand Prix is second only to the Indianapolis 500 as the most-attended open-wheel event in the nation. But the hundreds of laps around the city's seaside course are just part of the appeal of the fuel-injected bacchanal, which features rock concerts, celebrity races, beauty pageants and all manner of four-wheeled fun.
The 32-year-old event"
One, horse****. Raceday, I'd guess 80-85k, maybe.
Two, how many of those "150,000" follow the circus after it leaves?
Racing Truth
06-11-06, 07:29 PM
They didn't mention anything about the open Coyne seat. I hope someone is in it, we need to work on the car count.
George
I'd hope Stoopid Mario, seriously. Either way, it may all work out for all parties involved. :thumbup:
AJ to Forsythe and Mario to Coyne?
Bump. ;)
Even if Forsythe is pissed at Mario, he still needs a Mexican in the series.
Raceday, I'd guess 80-85k, maybe.
So why do you think 32 years of 80,000 is "wanking for a couple of years?"
Wait til they add beach volleyball!
Some guys like watching this.
http://www.ironictimes.com/images05/volleyball.jpg
Some don't, but that's OK. They were born that way.
Spicoli
06-11-06, 09:20 PM
Some guys like watching this.
http://www.ironictimes.com/images05/volleyball.jpg
Some don't, but that's OK. They were born that way.
Yes. I like that. :)
Insomniac
06-11-06, 09:21 PM
According to RM on SpeedNews, AJ will go to Forsythe by the end of the week.
How long before he punts PT? :)
JohnHKart
06-15-06, 09:15 PM
Yes. I like that. :)
You guys know I do... Ok....wow....just finding out via the Domingquez out thread about this. I have little time to follow this stuff on the net anymore, and a lot of times I'm avoiding coverage with races on tape delay. Had no idea Almendinger got bounced. I did see him get in with Forsythe via that thread yesterday or the day before but I had know idea till now he'd been tossed first. Unbelievable!!!!
JH
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