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cart7
05-03-06, 03:39 PM
The not so good from Gordon Kirby via the Autoextremist site


The Way It Is/A beautiful day masked a stark reality

By Gordon Kirby

Long Beach promoter Jim Michaelian appears to have inherited Chris Pook's pact with the weather gods. Despite forecasts for Sunday rain, perfect weather prevailed through the entire weekend in Long Beach and big crowds rolled through the gates, more than 200,000 for the three days. It was Long Beach at its best with plenty of people and racing and big fields for both the Atlantic and Grand-Am races in particular. The atmosphere was as festive as ever, graphic proof that the urban festival concept, pioneered by Pook and Michaelian at Long Beach more than thirty years ago, is American open-wheel racing's greatest strength.

To the casual observer therefore, Champ Car's phoenix-like rejuvenation was underway in Long Beach last weekend. But to everyone in and around the garage area there were plenty of questions and doubts about the future. Everyone asks whether reunification or merging with the IRL will happen and most people believe that if it doesn't happen this time around, the results will be dire. Television ratings, national media interest and sponsorship have vanished from both Champ Car and IRL and without a concerted team effort from everyone involved in American open-wheel racing the sport is doomed to mediocrity and marginalization.

Throughout the weekend as I wandered the paddock, pitlane and garage I was reminded of Patrick Head's comment to me while I was in England a few months ago. "What's going on in America, Gordon?" Head asked. "I'm sorry," he added. "I don't watch anymore. We all used to love it, but nobody seems to care anymore."

The Champ Car race in Long Beach revealed the fragility of having a field of just eighteen cars. A multi-car crash at the first turn eliminated Paul Tracy, Oriol Servia, Bruno Junqueira and A.J. Allmendinger, all of them potential race winners and championship contenders. The accident removed any drama from the race as Justin Wilson was the only remaining driver capable of keeping Sebastien Bourdais in sight. Kudos to Bourdais and Newman/Haas on a brilliantly-won, second successive victory, but it was one of the most boring Long Beach Grands Prix anyone could remember.

Without doubt the highlight of the weekend was the Atlantic race. With a field full of talented, ambitious young drivers there weren't many quiet moments as Andreas Wirth scored an excellent win from pole. The 21-year old German led all the way but was always under pressure with Raphael Matos filling his mirrors in the closing laps. The new Swifts looked good, the Mazda/Cosworth engines sounded great, and both chassis and engine proved to be thoroughly effective and reliable, a great achievement for all concerned.

The deeply competitive field produced a fierce race and some crashes from which drivers and cars emerged largely unscathed, also impressive for a brand new racing category. So it was an impressive debut all-round for the new Mazda/Cosworth Atlantic formula. Given the depth of the field this year's championship will be very difficult to win. Wirth and Matos will be hard to beat but there plenty of other contenders. Top Americans in Long Beach were Jonathan Bomarito and Graham Rahal with Bomarito dropping out of third place when he inexplicably ran out of fuel and young Rahal driving a solid race to finish fifth.

Meanwhile everyone continued to ruminate about reunification especially after Michael Andretti showed up on Saturday to join Bobby Rahal and Chip Ganassi in a briefing with Kevin Kalkhoven. Then on Sunday, Honda's Robert Clarke was on the grounds and made a public pitlane walkabout with Kalkhoven and Ford's Anne Stevens. On Saturday, Robin Miller and I talked to Kalkhoven about the burning question.

"My most important desire is to get it done right," Kalkhoven said about the possible Champ Car/IRL merger. "The history of mergers and acquisitions in general doesn't have a high success rate, and the worst thing that could happen is that we merge and it doesn't work. So both our intentions in discussing this is to make sure it's right. As a result, we haven't put a time limit on it. If it happens next year, that's great. If it takes longer to get it right, that's fine too.

"Doing it right is my number one goal," Kalkhoven added. "The worst thing that could happen to open-wheel racing is for us to do a deal that doesn't work. That would just be horrific for everybody. At the moment we've got two series that are doing okay. I'm proud of what we're doing here in Champ Car, but throwing that away in pursuit of something that would fail I think would be a huge mistake for American open-wheel racing. So doing it right is my primary objective."

We asked when an agreement would have to be in place for it to take effect for next season. "It could be done pretty much right through August," Kalkhoven advised. "Tony's got his schedules, we've got ours, and we pretty much know how it could fit together without any major problems. The real question is, the devil's in the details."

We also asked what stage the negotiations were at. "I would characterize it very simply as we're continuing to hold discussions with the best intent between us in trying to get it done in the best way possible," Kalkhoven responded.

Kalkhoven added that the vast majority of the talks would remain strictly between George and he. "I think clearly once an equitable decision gets made and all the details are worked out, then we'll propose it to people so that they know what the straw man is. To get together in a meeting without a defined agenda and a specific set of proposals I think would probably be counter-productive at this minute. So Tony and I continue to talk."

He also said that rejuvenating the Indy 500 was part of their discussions. "One of the things Tony and I have talked about is how important it is to continue to develop and revitalize the 500. The 500 is in every sense a cornerstone of United States racing. It's recognized around the world, like Long Beach is, and it's certainly something I believe is a primary objective of whatever it is we might do."

Even though Kalkhoven is doing his best to take the pressure off, there's no question that the clock is ticking rapidly. "We've got one year," commented Champ Car stalwart Paul Newman last weekend. Newman/Haas's sponsor salesman Ralph Hansen, universally recognized as the best in the game, is having an extremely tough time selling sponsorship for Bruno Junqueira's car, and Newman has come to believe that reunification is a necessity.

Chip Ganassi has made it very clear over the last few months that if reunification doesn't happen he will not be able to attract the sponsorship to continue in open-wheel racing and will pull-out to focus on NASCAR and Grand-Am. Ganassi was in Long Beach last weekend to watch Scott Pruett and Luis Diaz win the inaugural Long Beach Grand-Am race and Chip said he was very appreciative of Kalkhoven's efforts. Ganassi emphasized that he has no desire to be anything but a bystander to any talks or negotiations. "I don't want to be involved. I'm just one of the clowns in the circus, just a competitor," Ganassi remarked.

Bobby Rahal was also in Long Beach, keeping a close eye on 17-year old son Graham's budding racing career. Rahal will attend all this year's Atlantic races and says he plans to take Graham to Europe next for a year or two of seasoning in the tough school of European single-seater racing. Rahal is in Ganassi's camp in that he probably will pull his team out of open-wheel racing if the Champ Car/IRL merger doesn't happen. In Rahal's case he'll focus on the ALMS LMP2 series with Honda, and as it is for Ganassi it's all about the ability to put together the sponsorship to do the job or not. "I admire what Kevin is trying to do, but it's not about him," Rahal observed. "He's not the guy who's going to determine whether it's going to happen or not."

Indeed, it's all about Tony George, and too many people have heard him agree to something only to change his mind the next day. And of course, the other flies in the ointment are Bill France and Roger Penske, neither of whom have any interest in reunification between Champ Car and IRL. France, after all, wants to see NASCAR's domination of the sport become complete, and a merged open-wheel series might prevent that from happening. And Penske's future in racing is all about NASCAR, the Charlotte/NASCAR industrial complex, and Toyota. His loyalty is to that cabal, not open-wheel racing.

All this writing on the wall is having its effect in the garage area. Sad to report, plenty of people in the garage area who've spent their lives building and working on race cars are beginning to plan their exits. Some are going to night school or taking courses to expand their education and working skills outside of racing. Others are planning new businesses of their own, also outside the sport. Over many years their faith in the sport they love has been deeply shaken and they don't see much of a future.

For my part, my thirty-second spring weekend in Long Beach this year was a very sobering experience. I've been fervently hoping for the best for American open-wheel racing, but I'm afraid I fear the worst.

Linkie (http://www.autoextremist.com/page3.shtml)

dando
05-03-06, 04:18 PM
Damn. That's sobering. :(

-Kevin

racer2c
05-03-06, 04:32 PM
Sobering but nothing any of us didn't know already.

Spicoli
05-03-06, 04:38 PM
no ****.

although, this should could be indicative of what is really going on.....TG leads KK along and then "Whomp", so sorry, see you later. Is THAT what GK is alluding could happen?

If Hansen can't get sponsoship for Blinky, then it is tough. But then again, who here believed anything but that already??? EVERYONE is telling TG to get it done - privately, publicly, and some of his closest, most trusted advisors as well; but when did he ever take the common sense approach?

TG's got a choice - work with KK and become a hero (well, as much as that jacktard could) or "whomp" KK at the last minute, claim victory, and remain the self-centered egomaniac who could GAF about you, me, the Gomerati or the racing industry in general.

If that is the case, and it might be, then be prepared for the worst.

Yep, you may have won Tony, but what did you really win? ********* of the centruy?

:shakehead

The siuation is not only fluid, it's bvecoming Bi-polar as well. :p

dando
05-03-06, 04:43 PM
Sobering but nothing any of us didn't know already.
Nothing new about the big names, but the details about the minions involved in the sport are eye opening and saddening. Not much different than layoffs in other industries, tho. It's just sad that it's some to this, and how Penske has become the Darth Vader in this drama.

-Kevin

racer2c
05-03-06, 06:01 PM
It's been very quite from both sides the last few weeks. Personally, I think it's a done deal and they are working out details and how to announce it during the 500. I think if it's head a wall, somebody from either side would have said so.

Then again, maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part.

Andrew Longman
05-03-06, 06:17 PM
Logic and almost everything else would say that the deal is in place and they are keeping quiet to announce it when it gets the most bang.

But... I surprised there are no leaks. A lot of people have to be involved at this point.

And TG was willing to run his series with a four (?) race season and dentist as the star of his greatest show. So who knows?

RichK
05-03-06, 07:16 PM
I like how Chip called himself a clown. :thumbup:

theunions
05-03-06, 07:53 PM
Bomber didn't run out of fuel - he had valve train problems. :(

pfc_m_drake
05-03-06, 09:33 PM
It's just sad that it's some to this, and how Penske has become the Darth Vader in this drama.

This is maybe the one part of the article that I'm not completely on board with. Penske works towards a merger last year (remember the rumored meeting in Toronto), buys Ilmor Engineering (the NA division), but now suddenly is saying 'heck with it.' Something doesn't quite add up there.

Otherwise very spot-on I think.

dando
05-03-06, 09:41 PM
This is maybe the one part of the article that I'm not completely on board with. Penske works towards a merger last year (remember the rumored meeting in Toronto), buys Ilmor Engineering (the NA division), but now suddenly is saying 'heck with it.' Something doesn't quite add up there.

Perhaps when the Toyo Yen moved to NASCAB, his loyalties changed? Either that or he finally gave up after FTG pulled another one of his stunts, and changed his tune. Just my conjecture, but the Cap'n has been silent and very much invisible throughout all of this. Plus, KK also made a point of mentioning that there are those that are working against them. AJ is an obvious choice to do this, but he is so irrelevant these days, he simply cannot matter (unless he handles the coke supply). I simply think that the Cap'n has changed masters to France. Hence the Darth Vader reference.

YMMV.

-Kevin

pfc_m_drake
05-03-06, 09:50 PM
Either that or he finally gave up after FTG pulled another one of his stunts, and changed his tune.

I could see it being true under this circumstance. Also, it was rumored that Penske 'wanted a seat at the negotiating table' with respect to merger a little while back. If he wasn't given that seat, I could also see him giving up on the whole thing.

Guess we'll just wait and see.

nrc
05-03-06, 09:55 PM
This is maybe the one part of the article that I'm not completely on board with. Penske works towards a merger last year (remember the rumored meeting in Toronto), buys Ilmor Engineering (the NA division), but now suddenly is saying 'heck with it.' Something doesn't quite add up there.

Otherwise very spot-on I think.

Penske wants everything on his terms. He was probably hoping for a unification deal that would keep Toyota around and keep the yen flowing. Now he has no prospect of finding a sponsor who will pay the kind of money he's used to getting with or without unification.

pfc_m_drake
05-03-06, 10:45 PM
You could very well be right. But it just seems to me that with:

1) His merger article in USAToday (2?) years ago plugging unification
1a) Along with the rumored title sponsor that he had lined up should unification go through
2) The meetings in Toronto last year
3) The Ilmor purchase
4) The fact he was supposedly trying to help broker the 'Pontiac to badge the Cosworth' deal to keep GM in the IRL (depending on what story you believe, there were seeds of unification woven that this deal was contingent on)
5) The story that they've somehow managed to figure out a way for Phillip Morris to continue sponsoring the team (albeit not under the Marlboro brand) after this year

When you consider the above, to me it doesn't look like somebody who's itching get out of open wheel any way he can. I certainly do agree that he may be disgusted at this point (remember his quote earlier in the year about how he'll believe that there will be a merger when he sees it - citing the fact that even Mario had gone 8 ways from Sunday to try and put the thing back together).

So yes, I certainly believe he may be fed up - but at the same time I don't know that I believe he's down in Daytona on his knees kissing France Jr's ring saying 'Please Bill, I've seen the error of my ways and I pledge my eternal loyalty to you'.

Time will tell I guess...as they say, hindsight is 20/20.

dando
05-03-06, 11:02 PM
So yes, I certainly believe he may be fed up - but at the same time I don't know that I believe he's down in Daytona on his knees kissing France Jr's ring saying 'Please Bill, I've seen the error of my ways and I pledge my eternal loyalty to you'.
IMHO, loyalty is a relative term with the Cap'n. No doubt he's not kissing anyone's ass, but he is definitely going where the $$$ are. In this regard, his moving into GA is a telling sign that he is in the France camp. Marlboro pays the bills for this season in the EARL, but the mfg $$$ are pretty much gone post-Toyo. There's no way in hell GM can throw $$$ down a rat hole @ this point in time (and neither will Ford soon enough). What's to keep him there other than the 500?

This is just ugly any way you slice it.

-Kevin

Sean O'Gorman
05-03-06, 11:03 PM
IMHO, loyalty is a relative term with the Cap'n. No doubt he's not kissing anyone's ass, but he is definitely going where the $$$ are. In this regard, his moving into GA is a telling sign that he is in the France camp. Marlboro pays the bills for this season in the EARL, but the mfg $$$ are pretty much gone post-Toyo. There's no way in hell GM can throw $$$ down a rat hole @ this point in time (and neither will Ford soon enough). What's to keep him there other than the 500?

This is just ugly any way you slice it.

-Kevin

Penske is involved in Grand-Am? News to me.

racer2c
05-03-06, 11:06 PM
I think Penske has been marginalized. In the eyes of KK/GF he’s just another team owner. Successful yes, but not someone who needs to be in on re-unification talks any more than Haas or Ganassi or any of the other clowns.

So Newman says one year left eh? His “best in the business” sales guru can’t find sponsorship after this year. Ok. Rahal and Ganassi say that if a merger doesn’t happen they are leaving the IRL. I haven’t heard the same from the CCWS camp. I’ve just been reading about possible new venues for next year along with new cars and new teams moving up from Atlantics. Are Paul’s’ comments aimed at manipulating the idiot grandson? Although, wouldn’t Tony simply think “I’ll wait them out for a year and I win”.

So in the context of the merger, Tony is in jeopardy of losing teams when it’s already difficult for him to fill the 500, let alone bring back a true bump day. On the other side, the CCWS crews are going to night school to learn how to be middle school teachers etc in preparation for life after racing and yet KK continues to bolster the series and its growth potential.
If Tony balks, would there still be an IRL? If KK gets up from the table his teams struggle even more but would he still have a series?

It’s apparently obvious; they both have their existence to lose if a merger doesn’t happen, but everything to gain if it does.

dando
05-03-06, 11:14 PM
Penske is involved in Grand-Am? News to me.
Sorry, a leap in logic based on rumors, but he is one of the original backers for GA post-IMSA (do your homework). I'm not a follower of GA or ALMS, so I could care less about that discussion. :) Ganasty is obviously in GA and Rawhore in ALMS. It doesn't take much to see a Toyo-Lexus-GA connection with Penske.

-Kevin

cameraman
05-04-06, 12:20 AM
Penske Racing is running two Porsche RS Spyders in the ALMS LMP2 class this year.

devilmaster
05-04-06, 12:21 AM
Another thought to all this, is the push by CC to get more and more venues on the sked. Japan is said to be in. Vegas, Phoenix and New York (i know, i know) are more recent, along with the continued dreaming about Ansan and Philly.

I think the reasons behind this are twofold. 1) as the column stated, its getting harder to find sponsors - perhaps adding 3 or 4 races while hopefully bringing down costs to teams will be more enticing to sponsors; and 2) they're hedging their bets, and continuing forward with a possibility that Tony will **** it up once again.....

chop456
05-04-06, 03:42 AM
It's become difficult to care. I'm going to 5 ALMS races and 2 Champ Car races this year - something I never thought would happen. If the drug-addled idiot grandson is put in charge of anything except the race he inherited, or a merged series adopts crapwagon specs, I'll more likely watch the Grand Am douchebubbles play bumper cars. :gomer:

cart7
05-04-06, 05:36 AM
Another thought to all this, is the push by CC to get more and more venues on the sked. Japan is said to be in. Vegas, Phoenix and New York (i know, i know) are more recent, along with the continued dreaming about Ansan and Philly.

I think the reasons behind this are twofold. 1) as the column stated, its getting harder to find sponsors - perhaps adding 3 or 4 races while hopefully bringing down costs to teams will be more enticing to sponsors; and 2) they're hedging their bets, and continuing forward with a possibility that Tony will **** it up once again.....


If you look at the second link in the vegas race thread, the proposal to the city. At the very end they ask the decision be made as quickly as possible due to the proposed merger of CCWS and the IRL and the need to lock the date onto the 2007 schedule ASAP.

FTG
05-04-06, 08:13 AM
Another thought to all this, is the push by CC to get more and more venues on the sked.

I think the reason is because Honda is going to pay for more races next year.

cartman
05-04-06, 10:59 AM
To me, it really doesn't matter whether there are 2 different series or one unified series. The major problem imo with open wheel racing in America is the horrible lack of marketing for the sport.

When I was working for CART years back I was consistently apalled at the lack of marketing. CART had a crapload of money after the ipo and was too afraid to spend any of it on proper marketing. There were so many sponsor and affiliate relationships that were not being taken advantage of the way they could have been. Proper marketing is the key to everything because proper marketing leads to higher visibility. The reason sponsors are leaving and teams are having trouble finding new ones is complete lack of visibility due to piss poor marketing for both the IRL and Champ Car.

The reason that NASCAR was able to finally transcend just being a "good ole boy" network sport into the insanely popular and mainstream juggernaut that it is today is due to proper marketing and advertising. So, imo, whether there are still two series or one unified series it's going to be irrelevant. The long term health of a series in either scenario is going to be very fragile and iffy unless they quit hiring people from the K-Mart school of marketing and start embarking on some decent marketing. The phrase "you have to spend money to make money" seems to apply well here. You have to bust into the mainstream. Champ Car and the IRL are simply spinning their wheels by only advertising on the speed channel and in racing magazines. You have to bust out of the niche market and into the mainstream at some point if you want to grow the sport and be more visible.

I know that open wheel racing in America has been struggling for years to become more mainstream and visible to the casual fan, but I just feel like that from a pure marketing/advertising perspective there are so many things that haven't been tried, so many avenues that haven't been pursued and so many business relationships that haven't been utilized to their fullest potential. I love Champ Car and I love open wheel racing, but I just don't see it surviving forever in America without some serious generation of interest from new fans.

Turbodog
05-04-06, 11:33 AM
To me, it really doesn't matter whether there are 2 different series or one unified series. The major problem imo with open wheel racing in America is the horrible lack of marketing for the sport.

When I was working for CART years back I was consistently apalled at the lack of marketing. CART had a crapload of money after the ipo and was too afraid to spend any of it on proper marketing. There were so many sponsor and affiliate relationships that were not being taken advantage of the way they could have been. Proper marketing is the key to everything because proper marketing leads to higher visibility. The reason sponsors are leaving and teams are having trouble finding new ones is complete lack of visibility due to piss poor marketing for both the IRL and Champ Car.

The reason that NASCAR was able to finally transcend just being a "good ole boy" network sport into the insanely popular and mainstream juggernaut that it is today is due to proper marketing and advertising. So, imo, whether there are still two series or one unified series it's going to be irrelevant. The long term health of a series in either scenario is going to be very fragile and iffy unless they quit hiring people from the K-Mart school of marketing and start embarking on some decent marketing. The phrase "you have to spend money to make money" seems to apply well here. You have to bust into the mainstream. Champ Car and the IRL are simply spinning their wheels by only advertising on the speed channel and in racing magazines. You have to bust out of the niche market and into the mainstream at some point if you want to grow the sport and be more visible.

I know that open wheel racing in America has been struggling for years to become more mainstream and visible to the casual fan, but I just feel like that from a pure marketing/advertising perspective there are so many things that haven't been tried, so many avenues that haven't been pursued and so many business relationships that haven't been utilized to their fullest potential. I love Champ Car and I love open wheel racing, but I just don't see it surviving forever in America without some serious generation of interest from new fans.

You are correct. I have always thought it was about marketing. The NFL and Nascar are prime examples of excellant marketing. You have spend money to let people know who you are.

trauma1
05-05-06, 09:22 AM
the so called merger will not happpen, it will be a owner revolt lead by chip , rahole and even probably FM andretti, i truely believe they have had it with Tg and the disaster the IRL turned into, same with honda and firestone, they are done dealing with him, because he has no common sense and wants to be bill france JR or BE , which we know this is a delusion that will never see the light of day :rofl: :shakehead

Andrew Longman
05-05-06, 12:06 PM
the so called merger will not happpen, it will be a owner revolt lead by chip , rahole and even probably FM andretti, i truely believe they have had it with Tg and the disaster the IRL turned into, same with honda and firestone, they are done dealing with him, because he has no common sense and wants to be bill france JR or BE , which we know this is a delusion that will never see the light of day :rofl: :shakehead

I have no doubt that if there is no merger this is exactly what will happen. That doesn't mean they will go to CCWS and/or that CCWS will thrive. Maybe, but far from certain.

If they revolt, and the IRL implodes, and TG is flopping around trying to fill his 500 field in 07 or 08, and if the CCWS can hold on, then TG will have to accept CCWS as his series by default (unless he just turns the 500 into a NASCAR race).

Who knows, some of the above is certain. Not all of it.

racer2c
05-05-06, 01:06 PM
I have no doubt that if there is no merger this is exactly what will happen. That doesn't mean they will go to CCWS and/or that CCWS will thrive. Maybe, but far from certain.

If they revolt, and the IRL implodes, and TG is flopping around trying to fill his 500 field in 07 or 08, and if the CCWS can hold on, then TG will have to accept CCWS as his series by default (unless he just turns the 500 into a NASCAR race).

Who knows, some of the above is certain. Not all of it.

Based on their comments, I seriously doubt they would go to the CCWS. Without the 500, what would be the incentive? No yen? no 500? no CCWS.

oddlycalm
05-05-06, 02:32 PM
The major problem imo with open wheel racing in America is the horrible lack of marketing for the sport. Too true, and just another reason why a unified series has no assurance of success. Neither management team really understands marketing IMO. And, it may simply be too late at this point. There are so many years between the last successful CART season and 500 that most of the sponsor and advertising personnel weren't around then to see it. It will be almost like starting over from scratch which will put a lot of stress on a newly merged management.

That said, the alternative to unification is death of both series in the not too distant future. KK can put on as brave a face as he wants but if Newman can't sell real sponsors on blinky's car then the rest of the teams are hopeless. Since it's a foregone conclusion that the teams that matter are gone from the EARL, which Gordon confirms, TG is also up the creek with no paddle. At this point even if reunification occurs it is not a magic bullet that assures these teams will find sponsorship to stay in a unified series.

oc

Brian_R
05-05-06, 04:01 PM
To me, it really doesn't matter whether there are 2 different series or one unified series. The major problem imo with open wheel racing in America is the horrible lack of marketing for the sport.


:thumbup: You're definitely spot on with this. I mean, when have you seen ANY mainstream marketing from either series? It's hard to increase your fanbase (which in turn increases sponsor dollars, etc), when fewer and fewer people even know the product exists.

pferrf1
05-06-06, 12:18 AM
Very few sports actually go out and market/advertise themselves. They depend on PR/news/TV partners to get the word out and sponsors/advertisers to help create image with their 'activations' out to consumers. NASCAR has been the master of this.

Remember Honda and Toyota ads in USA Today after wins on Sunday?

Wasn't it Pook that said CART had estimated the cost of a true season-long national media campaign when they were blowing the war chest and it would have cost $100M plus?

formulaben
05-07-06, 12:09 PM
I like how Chip called himself a clown. :thumbup:

"I'm just one of the clowns in the circus..." - Chip Ganassi

Have truer words ever been spoken?

gjc2
05-07-06, 12:21 PM
(unless he just turns the 500 into a NASCAR race).

Even if TG was able to get a second Cup race it wouldn't be on Memorial Day weekend. I'm sure that Charlotte has a lock on that date.

George

devilmaster
05-07-06, 12:51 PM
Even if TG was able to get a second Cup race it wouldn't be on Memorial Day weekend. I'm sure that Charlotte has a lock on that date.

George

Bingo. Even the France's know that starting an all out war with Bruton and Humpy is not good business sense.

Spicoli
05-07-06, 02:10 PM
"I'm just one of the clowns in the circus..." - Chip Ganassi

Have truer words ever been spoken?

John Gacy was a clown too.

Racing Truth
05-07-06, 03:07 PM
Sobering indeed, but if one detaches from hardcore fandom (either side), its hard to argue with.


Too true, and just another reason why a unified series has no assurance of success. Neither management team really understands marketing IMO. And, it may simply be too late at this point. There are so many years between the last successful CART season and 500 that most of the sponsor and advertising personnel weren't around then to see it. It will be almost like starting over from scratch which will put a lot of stress on a newly merged management.

That said, the alternative to unification is death of both series in the not too distant future. KK can put on as brave a face as he wants but if Newman can't sell real sponsors on blinky's car then the rest of the teams are hopeless. Since it's a foregone conclusion that the teams that matter are gone from the EARL, which Gordon confirms, TG is also up the creek with no paddle. At this point even if reunification occurs it is not a magic bullet that assures these teams will find sponsorship to stay in a unified series.

oc

Yes, in essence, the time has come: Merge or die. I'd wondered when this point would come, inevitable as it was, and it increasingly seems that point is right now. W/o a merger, the whole thing blows up <10 yrs., and I mean ALL of it.

True, a merger, unification, whatever we call it guarantees nothing, but it gives the sport a fighting chance, and for whatever reason, I'm a tad more optimistic than oc that it can work.

Still, keep this in mind: There will be elements that we all individually don't like about a new, merged series (IFFFFFFFFFFF it happens), but be very careful about being too picky. Yes, I fully understand there could be elements that will be true dealbreakers for some of us, and I'd understand walking away then. Just don't expect everything to be as we want it, at least right away. Give it time to shake out, and we'll see.

B/c, frankly, the alternative is nothing at all. :(